Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption Church: Televangelists

I saw this last night and it was great. I love the fact that he actually wrote this guy back and forth for 7 months as part of his investigation. That and started his own church too. John Oliver has really become one of the best and most informative shows out right now in exposing the BS that is happening within today's institutions.

I'm on the fence about who's to blame however. Is the the Televangelists for being the dirty, lying, greedy bastards they are or the people who are actually dumb enough to send them money that keeps such liars in business??? I mean anyone who would actually send money to a guy named Creflo Dollar so he can buy a 65 million dollar private jet is really to stupid to be trusted. I mean these are adults with jobs and responsibilities. They have families, pay taxes and play roles in society on many levels. Yet they can't see that these people are selling nothing but lies and BS???

a reply to: ketsuko

Yes and pornographers take advantage of freedom of speech. So what's your point?

My point is quite clear.

Capitalism and religion mixed into a scheme to attract the gullible on two fronts.

I hear a nice healthy tithe get's rid of headaches.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ketsuko

Yes and pornographers take advantage of freedom of speech. So what's your point?

My point is quite clear.

No actually it's not.

What that people shouldn't give money to televangelists? OK. I already don't. I never watch any. That the prosperity gospel is bad. I've been quite clear on this. It's Luceferian.

I wonder if it is okay to go on television and ask for donations to a different cause.

Some pleas for donations are for;
Animals
Africa Relief
Haitian Relief
Red Cross
Politicians
AIDS

And yes, some are for. . . . "salvation".

But the thumpers are sucky and bad for doing it for "salvation".

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I agree with Plato and the incompetence of men.

We will flourish when philosophers are made kings.

However I think incompetence is largely due to the poor education system. We push our students in math and english, but most graduate completely incompetent in politics and the law.

I think high school should have 4 years of mandatory study that includes economics on a personal and global scale and the law.

I might get bashed for the next part.

At the end of high school I wouldn't mind having a legal and economic final. Until you pass a test on the fundamentals of economics and law you don't earn the right to vote. We need an educated and competent voting populace.

I think the rule of law is much more important than the advanced maths, english courses and sciences. With 4 years dedicated to study we should be able to reach a near 100 percent competency on the basics of being an educated voter.

a reply to: ketsuko

No actually it's not.

What that people shouldn't give money to televangelists? OK. I already don't. I never watch any. That the prosperity gospel is bad. I've been quite clear on this. It's Luceferian.

And yet you are one of those who preach that Jesus is only praying for 'believers' and that gays are disgusting and going to hell (poor gays!) and social safety nets are "Luciferian".

So -

sigh

here's the point: You "Christians" need to step up and do more than sit back and say, "But I'm not like that."

..... you need to stand up and say, "NO! We don't want a theocracy!"
The GOP candidate line-up is the anchor that will sink your ship.
A bejillionaire and a bible-thumping warmonger are all you collectively can come up with?? Really????

a reply to: beezzer

Because it's an obvious sham, beez. c'mon. You know better than that.

As far as "animals" go, though - yes, I contribute. Also to the Salvation Army, Goodwill, Big Brothers/Sisters....

originally posted by: xuenchen
These things are not the work of God.

This is the work of Satan.

sometimes i think the only difference between the two is a flip of the light switch.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

As a follower of Jesus I have one comment on your OP'

Right on!!


S&F for you.

a reply to: beezzer

Surely you don't mean like these?







And remember how all that money got raised for Haiti and nothing was done with it?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: beezzer

Because it's an obvious sham, beez. c'mon. You know better than that.

As far as "animals" go, though - yes, I contribute. Also to the Salvation Army, Goodwill, Big Brothers/Sisters....

I also contribute to Haitian Relief.

It's what WE believe in.

So I guess it's okay to openly mock those that believe differently. To those that give? It's real to them.

I once knew a nurse. Educated. Lived in big cities. Worldly.

And she ended up giving thousands to her Nigerian boyfriend because it was real to her.

I didn't mock her.

She was crushed when she found out it was a scam.

I never berrated her, teased her, insulted her.

I guess I could have.

Maybe make a thread ridiculing her for being stupid.

Oh well.

Just wanted to post, maybe provide some food for thought.

It's what I do sometimes.

Peace.

I forgive you.

a reply to: ketsuko

Yes and pornographers take advantage of freedom of speech. So what's your point?

??? How so?

a reply to: beezzer

I forgive you.

For what? Neither asked nor expected.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ketsuko

No actually it's not.

What that people shouldn't give money to televangelists? OK. I already don't. I never watch any. That the prosperity gospel is bad. I've been quite clear on this. It's Luceferian.

And yet you are one of those who preach that Jesus is only praying for 'believers' and that gays are disgusting and going to hell (poor gays!) and social safety nets are "Luciferian".

So -

sigh

here's the point: You "Christians" need to step up and do more than sit back and say, "But I'm not like that."

..... you need to stand up and say, "NO! We don't want a theocracy!"
The GOP candidate line-up is the anchor that will sink your ship.
A bejillionaire and a bible-thumping warmonger are all you collectively can come up with?? Really????

My, my putting so many words in my mouth! I think you need to stop telling me who you think I am because you clearly don't know. It is self-evident that you only pay attention to sound bites at best or have some reading comprehension issues at worst or simply make it all up to suit what you would prefer to believe.

I also don't think you know what Luciferian means. After all, I actually agree with you on one thing and you still can't even accept that much.

So basically, the only way "we Christians" can say "no" to Theocracy in your eyes would be to openly vote in an atheist? Is this like the only way we can put racism behind us is to vote in a black man? We can see how well that turned out can't we?

Someday, you need to relax and understand that voting in a Christian does not a theocracy make.

Hmmm, so out of 17 candidates ... all you can see are two? I guess that makes sense, you do only have two eyes.

a reply to: ketsuko

Please provide resources proving that the money donated did not go to those establishments and/or were not used legitimately.

In the meantime:

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Taking a big chance aren't you.

You are emphasizing one-sided politics in the "religion, faith, and theology" forum.

tisk tisk.

and clever too.

Not easy to respond without being off topic and get penalized.

I wonder how the tax exempt 501.3.c status applies to these televangelists?

a reply to: xuenchen

These things are not the work of God.

This is the work of Satan.

This is deflections - blame a third party

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: xuenchen

These things are not the work of God.

This is the work of Satan.

This is deflections - blame a third party

Satan is first party to evil.

originally posted by: beezzer
I wonder if it is okay to go on television and ask for donations to a different cause.

Some pleas for donations are for;
Animals
Africa Relief
Haitian Relief
Red Cross
Politicians
AIDS

And yes, some are for. . . . "salvation".

But the thumpers are sucky and bad for doing it for "salvation".

Here's one place you won't get any argument from me, Beez. From my own research,ALL of these charities are scams. I haven't found one that isn't. When you call them, and ask how much actually goes toward the cause, you get:
Passed from person to person
Hung up on
Lied to
We don't know, we just work here
and on and on. Those who do answer, will tell you 90% or better goes to administrative costs. So they're scams too, and I wish Americans would stop giving to them, and start giving to individuals in real need.