Fetal tissue and how it has advanced medical science.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Wish I could give you more than 1 F&S for this OP/Thread................

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Yes they are. Embryonic stem cells can go cancerous at the tip of a hat.

You have misunderstood the information. Adult stem cells that have been treated to behave like embryonic stem cells are "carcinogenic".

Recently, scientists in the United States and Japan succeeded in turning adult skin cells into cells that appeared to behave like embryonic stem cells in that they could be programmed to act like any cell in the body.

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For one thing, in order to know what those alternatives can do, they’ll need to be compared with something, and the gold standard continues to be human embryonic stem cells. For another, there may be some biological limits to the utility of alternative sources, such as these skin cells. And, of course, the techniques now being used involve a genetic factor that is carcinogenic. At this point it is still too early to tell exactly what this news means.
www.pewforum.org...

Cord blood, bone marrow and adult stem cells already have the genetic switch for accelerated growth switched off and are much less likely to turn cancerous.

You are misinformed. Those types of stem cells do NOT have the same qualities as embryonic stem cells.

a reply to: GraffikPleasure


The difference being that the Nazi's experimented on living

people

Where as the foetus can only exist at the 'carriers' behest ...

till such time as it is mature enough to live through breathing for

its self.


Most, if not all terminations are carried out LONG before that

time.


The anti abortionist's like to paint a picture of a fully formed and

fully intact child the size of a seed .... (appealing to every ones

love of the minature and the cute 'aww* factor) just growing into

becoming its self ...

However the reality is that 'it' (like all mammal foetus's) is

unrecognisable as even human till about 12 weeks gestation.

originally posted by: Mugly

originally posted by: IAMTAT

Today she regrets it as the greatest mistake of her life. She prays for forgiveness from God every night for the life she feels she killed....

^^^that is the crux of the issue and the major source of her regret/guilt right there

Yeah...IF ONLY we didn't have those pesky consciences...we could do anything and everything we want without feeling any guilt, regret or remorse.

Socialists are finally looking to (d)evolve into Sociopathalists.

a reply to: IAMTAT

That is for the woman and her god or conscious to sort out not you from your high horse.
I see you don't have solutions....

a reply to: IAMTAT

Your friend made a choice to have an abortion, that she, apparently, now regrets. So, because one women regrets the choice that she freely made, you want to take the right to choose away from other women.

Got it!

a reply to: windword

Some would love to see it banned and illegal but then what? it isn't going to stop women having abortions It will make it more dangerous though, How are they going to enforce it? lock up women? take away the baby and add to the hundreds of thousands of unwanted kids we have already?.
Or how about giving women the EDUCATED choice in their lives? increase sex education spending at schools, show that abortion should not be used as a form of birth control and to be honest us men need more education to just put a cap on it.
I see loads of blame heaped on women but come on guys If we just practised safe sex there wouldn't be 90% of abortions.

a reply to: IAMTAT it sounds like the guilt your friend went through seems like punishment enough, yet some want to punish her further by making her action a crime. That's pretty sick IMO and please this has nothing to do with left or right politics

No matter how much you want it to be.

There's nothing wrong to try to get the best out of any bad situation...as long as the bad situation wasn't what was wanted.

a reply to: Murgatroid

Its not a matter of theology, its correct translation. MiBeten: min - out side of, beten - the womb.

I'll go with the correctly translated word over someone's hallucination.

You aren't saved by being conceived again, but by being born again.

Life at conception is the political agenda.

a reply to: boymonkey74

This will always be a delicate issue.

Nobody in their right mind would give up a child unless it was absolutely necessary, and the placenta could give many people a new lease on life, and the bub could become a pillar of the community.

If I got a woman pregnant, should I encourage her to abort because we don't want it (but it could contribute to science), or should I encourage her to give birth so the fetus can actually live? Forget the "my womb, my choice" argument, it takes two to tango and there is always a third party that has no say in the argument-the fetus.

a reply to: boymonkey74

I am pro-choice but not pro-abortion, in fact I wish we were so medically advanced that unwanted pregnancies were a thing of the past... but we are not that advanced and despite some people repeating 'they shouldn't get pregnant in the first place' well, contraception is never 100% effective.

I see the use of fetal cells as a necessary evil and I try to see the good that can be achieved from a horrible situation. Those embryos were going to be aborted anyway, in fact women are asked if they want to donate the tissue after the procedure has been carried out, never before. Fetal tissue has helped eradicate polio and has been helping making medical gains that have saved and improved the lives of thousands.

I just find it ironic (and sad) that in a world that cares so little for the living, there is such a fuss about using fetal tissue to create a cure to horrendous diseases. And some, instead of continuing the bashing and judging of women, should remember what their dear Jesus said: "let him who is without sin cast the first stone". Even though I am not pro-abortion I would never consider myself morally superior to those girls and women who chose to do so hence I do not judge.

Of course working with fetal tissue is not ideal but, like I said above, let's see the good that can be achieved from an unavoidable situation because abortion has been around for at least 5000 years and if a woman wants to do it she will, regardless of it being legal or otherwise.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
A lot of surprise and anger on the boards to do with the PP videos and selling fetal tissue to labs and such.
Now I will not go into the selling of it because frankly I don't know the USA laws about it but I will attempt to show you that we have been using fetal tissue for years and it is helping people now and has done for years.
Now fetal tissue was used in the first polio vaccine also Hepatitis A, German measles, chickenpox and rabies.

Now someone attempted to say they were injecting mice with cells from fetal tissue will make Chimeras....no the reason they implant the cells into the mice is that the cells divide rapidly, adapt to new environments easily, and are less susceptible to rejection than adult cells if transplanted.
This makes the mouses immune system mimic ours so thus aiding research into Cancer and other diseases.
Parkinsons is also helped by transplanting cells from fetal tissue.
Aids research also.
Oh and the ebola vaccine? yes it used fetal tissue.


hsci.harvard.edu...

www.pbs.org...

We will never stop women getting abortions and I am pro choice not pro abortion I think we should be educating all people about safe sex and the consequences of it.
As always education is the key.
But I for one am glad some people do this type of work for the people living and suffering now.

(Oh and Vaccines and abortion? ha you guys are going to have a field day lol).

When the hospitals actually start to see less patients and returning patients maybe someone should care...but as of now all of this "research" has changed the situations about 1.3% in the last 25 years.

Woopeee!!!

a reply to: eletheia

Ok so I disagree with your premise that because we kill a PERSON before they are born and can breathe on their own THEN do experiments on them is ok...

But that is an argument we will just have to plainly disagree and move on I'm sure.

My main argument is their are plenty of places low income mothers can go for their health needs other than PP

a reply to: GraffikPleasure

My main argument is their are plenty of places low income mothers can go for their health needs other than PP

there's a whole other thread on that one...
come, join in, but I don't like double posting so I am leaving on this one!

a reply to: [post=19690839]boymonkey74[/
No I am comparing the planned parenthood workers to it.

People that have abortions are looking out for themselves, sometimes what's best for their child.

Planned parenthood is looking at getting paid per fetus. Snapping off limbs, pulling some certain parts first, and keeping their prized tissue for $$$.

There are plenty of other places to have an abortion other than PP. abortion is touchy subject in itself, then to get paid commission on it and persuade women to get it done? Persuade women to get paid for their fetusto have experiments done on it.


Let's see the abortion mill planned parenthood and stem express:
Kills babies
Does experiments on them

Nazis:
Did experiments on people
Enough to kill the person

I would love to break it down further but I just doubt it will matter anyways

Graffik

a reply to: dawnstar

Mind posting a link?

2nd

Fate of the fetus

Dr. William Smalling first saw the baby on day two of life.

Amillia Taylor, one of the world’s smallest surviving preemies, weighed just 283 grams and measured 24 centimetres — under 10 inches — with skin so fragile and translucent her blood vessels could be seen beneath.

“I was shocked that something so small could survive,” Smalling, one of Amillia’s primary physicians, remembers thinking that day as he stood in his hospital’s neonatal intensive care unit.

“Not only survive, but also be so stable.”

Born after just 21 weeks and six days’ gestation in a South Florida hospital in 2006, Amillia arrived in the world by emergency caesarean section, pushing the boundaries of what is known as the “threshold of viability” — the stage and age at which a fetus would have a reasonable chance of survival outside its mother’s womb without severe brain damage.

According to Canadian reproductive biology expert Dr. Roger Pierson, “Nobody really knows where that line is anymore.”

As medical advances allow doctors to increasingly save babies born months too soon — those who would never have survived even a generation ago — the debate over fetal viability has been reignited

As medical advances allow doctors to increasingly save babies born months too soon — those who would never have survived even a generation ago — the debate over fetal viability has been reignited

www.thestarphoenix.com...

Top scientists meet in Moscow, tell Russian government: Fetus is human. Ban abortion.

www.lifesitenews.com...

July 15, 2015 (LifeSiteNews) – A group of two dozen leading Russian and international scientists from various disciplines met last week in Moscow to make the case that science overwhelmingly confirms the humanity of the unborn child from the moment of conception – and to demand that “prenatal infanticide” be banned in the country.

Sergei Chesnokov, the president of the Moscow Pro-Life Festival, which organized the symposium, told LifeSiteNews that such a scientific symposium on the humanity of the unborn child from a pro-life perspective “has never been organized before in Russia or in any post-Soviet country.”

a reply to: GraffikPleasure


www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Stormdancer777

so can we have a healthcare system where all these preemies can be treated with the same care as this one without bankrupting their parents??