4th Video Catches Planned Parenthood VP Discussing How to Break the Law

a reply to: grandmakdw

ACA provisions for insurance; PP provision of services.

How many times is this facetiousness going to be attempted?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Actually, your wrong, if these videos were contested as fake by any lawyer worth his/her salt, a cease and desist would have been handed down. They can't contest the legitimacy of the videos, so they are playing the violation of privacy angle.

Doesn't matter at this point, because the fire has spread to far to be easily extinguished.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: DumbConservative

They're sooo fake, some company got a court order to stop the exposure.

Exposure or actionable lies?

Apparently, the Judge finds evidence for the latter.

originally posted by: SpaDe_
a reply to: Gryphon66

Actually, your wrong, if these videos were contested as fake by any lawyer worth his/her salt, a cease and desist would have been handed down. They can't contest the legitimacy of the videos, so they are playing the violation of privacy angle.

Doesn't matter at this point, because the fire has spread to far to be easily extinguished.

Do you realize that there has not yet been a trial on the matter?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Do you realize that a cease and desist order is easy to obtain? That is if there is supporting evidence, which there isn't in this case.

a reply to: xuenchen

a reply to: grandmakdw

Sigh.

White House backs Planned Parenthood over ‘edited’ videos, federal funding

It wasn’t exactly a surprise, but the White House gave a forceful defense of Planned Parenthood Wednesday and decried Republican lawmakers’ efforts to defund the organization in the wake of undercover videos revealing the sale of fetal tissue.

White House deputy press secretary Eric Schultz said he didn’t know whether President Obama has seen the videos because the president just returned Wednesday from a five-day trip to Africa.

But Mr. Schultz said White House officials are “familiar with the news reports, including that a lot of these videos have been edited.”

And he said the White House “couldn’t disagree more” with congressional Republicans who want to strip the organization of federal funding over the issue.

Mainly because it would be ILLEGAL.

But just how much funding does Planned Parenthood receive from the government? In the fiscal year that ended June 30, 2014, Planned Parenthood had $1.3 billion in total revenue. Of that, $528.4 million came from government health services grants and reimbursements. The group says the vast majority of federal dollars it receives comes from Medicaid reimbursements for providing preventative health care.

That's why ending the flow of federal dollars isn't as simple as turning off the spigot. The laws governing Medicaid - the health insurance program for low-income families - prevent states from excluding certain providers solely because of other medical services they provide, like abortions. Those laws also say Medicaid recipients must be allowed to seek treatment from anyone who is qualified to perform the services. This is sometimes called a "freedom of choice" provision.

In other words, the bill introduced by the Senate Republicans Wednesday - if it were to pass - would violate existing federal law and almost certainly face a challenge in court, Susan Fogel, the Director of Reproductive Health for the National Health Law Program, told CBS News. [Source]

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Any comment from the White House is suspicious in itself.

They are Masters of deception and mis-interpretation.

originally posted by: SpaDe_
a reply to: Gryphon66

Do you realize that a cease and desist order is easy to obtain? That is if there is supporting evidence, which there isn't in this case.

Did you not realize that there hadn't been a trial? LOL. We all make mistakes.

How do you know that there is no supporting evidence, again?

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: ~Lucidity

Any comment from the White House is suspicious in itself.

They are Masters of deception and mis-interpretation.

The "Center for Medical Progress" runs a quick 2nd, then.

/shrug

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: ~Lucidity

Any comment from the White House is suspicious in itself.

They are Masters of deception and mis-interpretation.

Can you demonstrate the deception and misinterpretation in the posted information you're replying to?

Thanks!

a reply to: grandmakdw

Abortion is NOT COVERED under the ACA in 15 states, I have said this many, many times.

And even if it is, the deductible and associated costs for a non-PP abortion are higher than PP.

a reply to: Gryphon66

possibly.

marketplace ACA plans carry some tax credits and subsidies.

Abortion Coverage in Marketplace Plans, 2015

Executive Order 13535-- Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act's Consistency with Longstanding Restrictions on the Use of Federal Funds for Abortion

plenty room for "executive" privilege and selective enforcements.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: ~Lucidity

Any comment from the White House is suspicious in itself.

They are Masters of deception and mis-interpretation.

The "Center for Medical Progress" runs a quick 2nd, then.

/shrug

not a government agency

The Center for Medical Progress is a group of citizen journalists dedicated to monitoring and reporting on medical ethics and advances. We are concerned about contemporary bioethical issues that impact human dignity, and we oppose any interventions, procedures, and experiments that exploit the unequal legal status of any class of human beings. We envision a world in which medical practice and biotechnology ally with and serve the goods of human nature and do not destroy, disfigure, or work against them.

The Center for Medical Progress is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization.

About Them

deflection count acknowledged

a reply to: xuenchen

You didn't specify government agency.

Only deception and misinterpretation.

Also no evidence from you about what was deceptive or misinterpreted by the WH.

I bow to the deflection Maastah.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

You didn't specify government agency.

Only deception and misinterpretation.

Also no evidence from you about what was deceptive or misinterpreted by the WH.

I bow to the deflection Maastah.

The whole response was directed a specific reference to the White House comments.

Nothing else was mentioned.

a reply to: xuenchen

Okay but still:

ACA = insurance

PP = service provision

What's hard about that?

a reply to: xuenchen

Right.

You think anything the WH says is deceptive because that fits your political agenda.

I think that the specific things that CMP has actually done provide clear evidence that they ARE intentionally deceptive and misleading.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

You think anything the WH says is deceptive because that fits your political agenda.

bingo

and that goes for all previous administration white houses ... all 57 of them

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

You think anything the WH says is deceptive because that fits your political agenda.

bingo

and that goes for all previous administration white houses ... all 57 of them

Then in that case I'm moving the "Center for Medical Progress" to the front ahead of generic political lying.

So how do they abort a baby that has already been delivered in clinic? And how is that not murder?