3rd Shock Video Catches Planned Parenthood V.P. Selling Body Parts of Aborted Babies

a reply to: windword

If a mother can't afford her 6 month old daughter anymore, or she got addicted to drugs, and she decides, makes her CHOICE, that she wants to just slit the little girls throat, The State mandates she CANNOT do this. It's murder.

She has a willingness, but a force is stopping her. The State is preserving the rights of that little daughter of hers.

a reply to: Ignatian

She has a willingness, but a force is stopping her. The State is preserving the rights of that little daughter of hers.

You are wrong. There is no force stopping "her". The State can't prevent murder, it can only punish and isolate murderers.

You can't force a woman to love a unwanted child.

originally posted by: Ignatian
a reply to: windword

Ok then, just make it plural. Ya know, twins. Two?

Identical twins are people. Certainly, you'd agree? People are persons. So an identical twin is a person, who was born alongside another person who happens to have the same DNA. How? You explained the biology above.

Identical twins=separate liveS, with same genes. It's elementary.

They are people as soon as they are born, but they are NOT people the day before?

Of course identical twins are two separate people. However, According to your definition, "A separate life with different genes" , twins don't qualify.

a reply to: Ignatian

When is a person a person? At conception, is the most sane, reasonable, logical and consistent answer. I believe this an absolute, there are no exceptions.

It absolutely is NOT a sane or reasonable answer. A fertilized egg is not a person any more than an acorn is an Oak tree.

originally posted by: Ignatian

Identical twins are people. Certainly, you'd agree? People are persons. So an identical

twin is a person, who was born alongside another person who happens to have the same DNA.

You see ... you can get it right! The operative words being

*who was born*

They are people as soon as they are born, but they are NOT people the day before?

Right again, They become people, citizens in their own right

as soon as they are born!

originally posted by: Ignatian


When is a person a person? At conception, is the most sane, reasonable, logical and consistent answer. I believe this an absolute, there are no exceptions.

Conception creates an embryo, which develops into a foetus, and in

time a baby will be born.

The stages before it becomes a baby, (the embryo and foetus stage)

it cannot under any circumstances exist on its own, to put it bluntly

it is the dictionary definition of a parasite, and therefor cannot be considered

a *person* in its own right.

When it can and does exist out side of the uterus then it can be considered a

person.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Ignatian

When is a person a person? At conception, is the most sane, reasonable, logical and consistent answer. I believe this an absolute, there are no exceptions.

It absolutely is NOT a sane or reasonable answer. A fertilized egg is not a person any more than an acorn is an Oak tree.

And neither is a newborn an adult human. Nor is a 2 year old an adult human. WTF is your point?

a reply to: eletheia

So being born is some kind of magical event at which point the child attains self-awareness? Being born is some mystical process at which point the fetus becomes a human being? Really?

Sounds like the definition of adult being 21, and yet we have all known people older than 21 who were still children.

a reply to: eletheia

Got news for ya: A baby cannot exist on its own either.

Try not feeding them......

a reply to: eletheia

Dictionary definition? REally?

Is the fetus considered homo sapiens? Or is there another species the fetus is unti it is born. What a load of crap.

Unless it is another species it is human.

a reply to: bbracken677

The pro-death folks literally have to suspend reality, all common sense and reason to justify killing an unborn baby,which IS an unborn human being.

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: eletheia

Got news for ya: A baby cannot exist on its own either.

Try not feeding them......

Give it a rest....

You've been on that particular treadmill many times before

suffice to say, that when it has been born then all you 'bleeding

hearts will have the chance can do what you all profess you will

do in supporting said baby, so no chance of it starving.... it wont

even need breast milk, there's always formula.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: eletheia

Got news for ya: A baby cannot exist on its own either.

Try not feeding them......

Give it a rest....

You've been on that particular treadmill many times before

suffice to say, that when it has been born then all you 'bleeding

hearts will have the chance can do what you all profess you will

do in supporting said baby, so no chance of it starving.... it wont

even need breast milk, there's always formula.

Because the baby can buy the powder and prepare their own formula!

And what about the elderly who can no longer care for themselves? Do they stop being human? What about people in comas? What about mentally handicapped?

Specifics please.

a reply to: bbracken677

Birth IS a magical event that is a precursor to becoming a person.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

And what about the elderly who can no longer care for themselves? Do they stop being human? What about people in comas? What about mentally handicapped?

Specifics please.

All those people have one thing in common, they were all born.

a reply to: windword

Again, to use a common scenario. A baby is extracted by C-section, very premature, a completely unnatural "birth". (Maybe to save the life of the mother gryph?). The baby survives due to modern medicine. It wasn't "born" in the natural sense. So, what is that "thing" laying in the incubator being attended to by caring medical staff? An oak tree?

originally posted by: Teikiatsu


Because the baby can buy the powder and prepare their own formula!

And what about the elderly who can no longer care for themselves? Do they stop being human? What about people in comas? What about mentally handicapped?

Specifics please.

If you had read the complete post you will have noted I said that

it would give all the bleating, bleeding hearts the opportunity

to do what they keep saying they want to do and save ALL

the babies that are being terminated.


Oh and this thread is not about the old, handicapped, or brain

dead.... that's off topic If you want to discuss that start a thread

on it

a reply to: windword

I get the feeling you've never actually looked at pictures of aborted children, up close and personal.

If you looked at those and were to tell me those weren't human beings, all I could do is shake my head and walk away, seriously questioning your ability to fully process visual stimuli. In other words, I would think you were either blind, or delusional.

a reply to: eletheia

Is this seriously a major issue for you, in your defense of abortion?

Because the mother or we as a society might not take care of these kids, we should just kill them ?

That's kinda creepy.

a reply to: Ignatian

A baby is extracted by C-section, very premature, a completely unnatural "birth". (Maybe to save the life of the mother gryph?). The baby survives due to modern medicine.

Doesn't matter how the person came from its mother. What matters is first breath, cutting the cord, crying out loud, using its lungs and voice for the first time.