Can disagreement on Twitter put you in jail?

Sounds like there may have been more to this than the punching thing, as in maybe some real threats or stalking or something. Otherwise, I can't see what they'd have to arrest someone on. Twitter has these neat features called mute and block. Wonderful how calm those can make any little bubble you want to create for yourself

originally posted by: Ironhawke
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Why not? "Masculinity" has been used as a weapon against people for centuries.

Thats right...i forgot...2 wrongs make everything alright again.

This is what happens when old geezers run things. They don't even understand what an open forum such as twitter is. "Harassment" on the internet, ridiculous concept..... That would be like being arrested for having a back and forth argument with a member here.

a reply to: subfab

I've had experience with certain feminist "activists" and or privilege theory activists and some do in fact rub me the wrong way but so too do people who make video games based on assaulting women.

This specific case here, I don't know exactly what the guy posted, its a tad concerning because there are in fact some feminists who will create an Orwellian atmosphere if given the opportunity. I don't care what anyone on the left says (I'm a "leftist"/socialist myself). I live in the Bay Area. Have been around RadFem activists for 15 years. I know what the world view is. I know what the tactics are. It has, I'll say, infected various leftist organizations. Many people eventually end up being accused of rape, or sexual assault, or of being a misogynists if you even attempt to debate specific feminist theory.

The knee jerk reaction for many on the left is to say "feminism is good, feminism is needed". And I would agree, I do agree but just like any other political, economic or social theory there will be different currents. Different sects. Different theories which manifest in different mentalities. Some will be positive, objective, real, needed if we are to progress as a society. Other theory will be toxic, subjective, divisive and counterproductive- theories which will create different mentalities. An "us vs them" mentality arises with certain feminist theory. Men and women in two distinct social classes. With men as "oppressors" and women as the "oppressed". When you view the world in that way men, no matter how subtle or outright, become the enemy.

Obviously these are the second wave RadFem's I'm speaking of but even the "sex positive third wave" feminists have some wonky ideas which mostly come from the second wave RadFems. "Manspreading", "Manspaining", a subjective expansion of the definition of rape, a subjective expansion of the definition of harassment etc. A sort of overreaction to the real issue of rape and harassment. They tend to focus on "micro-transgressions". All the small tings. What most would consider petty things. This is a conscious political tactic. Quite honestly it is annoying as all hell and I think it does feminism as a whole a great disservice. As does a lot of the various theories surrounding "the patriarchy". It's not even up for debate though, if you attempt debate you're shut down as being a misogynist, a woman hater, a potential rapist. The enemy of women. These "micro-transgressions"....I'm an offender. I transgress on the micro. At least as far as specific feminist theory is concerned. I don't think "the patriarchy" is some universal system of oppression facilitated by all men to the benefit of all men. Things aren't so binary. As is the world view of many feminists and PT theorists in general. "Oppressors" oppressing large groups of people. As if I'm holding Hillary Clinton down. As if a working class male who has never abused women is in some position of power over women, living the good life at their expense as he toils away at work each day for pennies. "

Anyhow, a long list can be written. Various examples can be given and yet it will still boil down to the thought that "you either support all feminists or you are a misogynist". Someone will read this post and think/say it. Of that I'm certain. All I can say is, most people don;t know what their in for, don;t know just how far some feminist theory goes. How it manifests in action. There needs to be respectful debate and "push back" concerning some theories. Some political tactics. I'd start with the focus on "micro-transgressions".

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: subfab

This is just another example of how pathetic the justice system has become....this kind of garbage should have never been filed to begin with..

Precisely. This is ridiculous and the cost to him an unnecessary hardship. I would sue them for not only all costs recovered, but the stress and trauma involved.

a reply to: Unity_99

Or maybe make a video game where people could punch them in the face.

a reply to: JeanPaul

thank you for such a well thought reply.

a reply to: [post=19584401]subfab

What a ridiculous and wrong headed charge. Being offended is not a premise for charging someone with a crime.

a reply to: JeanPaul

I'm a woman, and I am offended that feminists act like total morons.

originally posted by: Lindarm
a reply to: [post=19584401]subfab

What a ridiculous and wrong headed charge. Being offended is not a premise for charging someone with a crime.

i agree with you here.
but it seems that our nation and apparently canada too, is headed in this direction.

a reply to: subfab

You do not have free speech in America.

originally posted by: controllwebhack
a reply to: subfab

You do not have free speech in America.

in the past i would have argued this point with you.
today, i'm not so sure. it seems as though free speech is being systematically chipped at. only time will tell for sure what our outcome will be.

a reply to: controllwebhack
We don't have freedom, anywhere in "civilization" really. In the country we got a bit, you want freedom, you gotta go live somewhere crazy like in the middle of the yukon or something. You get freedom from human assholes, but you don't got freedom from nature lol. I would rather deal with nature personally, it's a whole lot more fair than "civilized leaders", who have their own personal military robots(police forces with low IQ and military toys) at their disposal to wield at you.

a reply to: subfab

Nope.. To me this is where the courts will continue to define electronic mediums and criminal law. Twitter is a public social media platform. These women took a stance that this guy did not agree with and it appears they are attempting to silence a person who doesn't agree with them.

If you don't want to engage in a public issue don't use a public social medium that can be accessed by anyone. These women could have easily just blocked the user yet they instead decided to continue the debate / argument.

the charges should be dismissed and the 2 ladies should be required to pay any and all legal fees of this guy.

originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: JeanPaul

thank you for such a well thought reply.

Full of typos but I guess the point still stands. I've actually thought about leaving political activism behind for a couple reasons. This bei g one of them. It's really bad within leftist organizations or within political activist "culture". Nauseating.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: subfab

He may be facing charges, but unless he is convicted, this is really a non-event.

The fact that this isn't already thrown out and those two women charged with filing a frivilousawsuit is also deeply troubling. It starts with this, where does it end?

a reply to: chuck258

Considering the US Supreme Court is finally getting around to deciding how the 4th amendment applies to electronic mediums this action is about on par. There is not a lot of legislation dealing with electronic mediums and current criminal law.

This incident is one of those examples where the courts will be forced to decide how to apply current law to the electronic age. Based on what's in the article I don't really see how these women have a chance of winning.

Wow just wow . Seems like all you have to do to be a victim is claim your a victim . Why is this in court . Did i miss something somewhere . Cometh the day when men will say , feminist hey , concrete your own driveway .

a reply to: chuck258

did a yahoo search for an update and this article:
english.pravda.ru...

claims the following

The astounding thing about this case is that Elliott himself was clearly subjected to harassment by Guthrie and Reilly when the two activists sent him a barrage of hateful tweets. Another supporter of Guthrie and Reilly even pretended to be a 13-year-old girl to try and portray Elliott as a pedophile

so who exactly is the one being harassed?