At Age 3 — Transitioning From Jack To Jackie

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Liquesence

These parents should be ashamed of themselves. I wonder if the gay community supports this? Putting adult concepts and expectations on a 3 year old is pathetic and shameful.

You speak as if the "gay community" has some common thought or special insight into supporting this. Why would they?

Heck, the last thing in the world I would want is for a kid to be encouraged to be transgender. It's not something I would wish on anyone and do tend to agree that up to a certain age, traditional roles and behavior are what should be encouraged by a very young child's parents. I would change my tune though if we were talking of a child between five and seven years of age and even then would not be all that comfortable with it without the parents consulting professionals experienced in this area.

Anything goes really. Lets just throw out everything. Lets become robots tomorrow. You know, we will... don't you?

Research shows 3-year olds know their gender. Enuff said. Let them change their gender. Simple, ain't it? Just let them.

Too bad research shows the new brain is better than instinctive morality. May as well start throwing that out the window too.

All of you using research to support this really need to examine your position because there's a lot of research out there.

You might not agree with all of it. Soon the ball won't be in your court and you'll be the one on the receiving end of the stick.

I support letting children define who they are.

I'm on my third generation of raising kids. I've learned a lot along the way.

originally posted by: Kali74
The child isn't getting hormones or having any physical changes to her body. Obviously it was more than just curiosity and wanting to play with her sisters things. Children know very early what gender they are... 99% of the time it's just 'well duh I have a vagina and I'm a girl, even if I like to cut my hair short, wear boys clothes... I'm a girl'.

Then there's kids, even at three, clearly unhappy with their physical gender and behaviors manifest that go beyond wanting to wear the opposite sex clothing and play as the opposite sex. I see zero wrong with letting a three year old 'boy' identify as a girl.

I disagree completely, as having been a complete "tomboy" I turned into an extremely feminine woman after puberty. Many changes in the body and mind about that age.

originally posted by: EKron

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Liquesence

These parents should be ashamed of themselves. I wonder if the gay community supports this? Putting adult concepts and expectations on a 3 year old is pathetic and shameful.

You speak as if the "gay community" has some common thought or special insight into supporting this. Why would they?

Heck, the last thing in the world I would want is for a kid to be encouraged to be transgender. It's not something I would wish on anyone and do tend to agree that up to a certain age, traditional roles and behavior are what should be encouraged by a very young child's parents. I would change my tune though if we were talking of a child between five and seven years of age and even then would not be all that comfortable with it without the parents consulting professionals experienced in this area.

Assume much......I asked a simple straight forward question.......I wonder if the gay community supports this?



How does this simple question imply they are for or against it? You make a point of saying why would they support this.......Lets hear what the gay leadership has to say about it first.......See the irony you are actually the one assuming not me........

originally posted by: Kali74
The child isn't getting hormones or having any physical changes to her body. Obviously it was more than just curiosity and wanting to play with her sisters things. Children know very early what gender they are... 99% of the time it's just 'well duh I have a vagina and I'm a girl, even if I like to cut my hair short, wear boys clothes... I'm a girl'.

Then there's kids, even at three, clearly unhappy with their physical gender and behaviors manifest that go beyond wanting to wear the opposite sex clothing and play as the opposite sex. I see zero wrong with letting a three year old 'boy' identify as a girl.

Two grandsons who are daily with two older granddaughters seem fascinated at 1-2 years with Barbie dolls and such.
Does that mean they secretly want to transgender?
Now at two, one grandson would rather play with an empty apple juice plastic bottle, spinning the top on and off. He likes the bottle more than electric car, tonka, hotwheels and other vehicles and pretty much any expensive gotta have it product available at any cost.

So should he be a girl?, an engineer? an apple container maker? He can speak complete sentences and uses some big words like sesquipedalianism and other non-traditional language. Should he be a writer??

WTF? I would call this "behavior" from the parents to be child endangerment and those that condone this $hit should all be thrown in jail where they can be happy experimenting on one another.

originally posted by: Annee
I support letting children define who they are.

I'm on my third generation of raising kids. I've learned a lot along the way.

Really..........Parents set boundaries for many reasons......What if a child wanted to stay up all night and sleep during the day.......What if a child only wanted to eat junk food..........What if a child wanted to learn base jumping........



Boundaries and expectations and set schedules are a recipe for success. Many people bought into the progressive ideals and raised their children to match these ideals.........Many kids today are never even leaving the nest as they grow into adults.........


I wanted to add this is a broad statement and not directed towards you but only your message...........I also wanted to say when you set a dinner time you are in fact defining your child by setting expectations.

originally posted by: blacktie
Puberty is when a lot of sexual identity kicks in, not in nursery school.

This is of course very true. Child sexual abuse can also confuse a child's sexuality.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: blacktie
Puberty is when a lot of sexual identity kicks in, not in nursery school.

We are talking about GENDER identity, which has nothing to do with sexual feelings.

My step-grandson used to play with his big sister's dolls. Know what he does with them? Runs them across the floor, making engine sounds. He has seen many times how his sister plays with her dolls, by hugging them, singing to them and kissing them. But he insists on making them into cars and trucks. He identifies as a B-O-Y. He's not yet 2.

My son loved stuffed animals as a child and treated them like a girl would her dolls he had an older sister only to play with, he is a very masculine military man today, I don't think your example has anything to do with the issue.

Some Family issues and characteristics influence a child, if a Mother constantly allows herself to be abused by Dad for example maybe the daughter does not want to identify with Mom.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
My kids are over twice his/her age and barely know what they want for breakfast nine times out of ten.

A three year old has their gender all figured out?

Wow.

That's sort of what I was thinking. Ours went through a phase where he thought he was Iron Man for a while.

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: blacktie
Puberty is when a lot of sexual identity kicks in, not in nursery school.

This is of course very true. Child sexual abuse can also confuse a child's sexuality.

Actually not true.

The science of fluid sexuality is fairly new. Recent studies say sexual orientation is developed early on in utero.

originally posted by: EKron

originally posted by: ghostrager
5 or 6? That's insane. The prefrontal cortex doesn't develop until teenage years for one. Hell, it doesn't mature until something like 24 years old for males and 20 for females.

How can a child, who hasn't developed a primary portion of their brain that controls reasoning, possibly be able to make such decisions? With encouragement from parents, I'm sure they will want to be trans. But what parent would encourage that? The attempted rate of suicide for transgender is around 40% along with higher substance abuse.

"Nature" in this case is .3%. Anything above that is nuture.

I do believe you're going to get some different and very strong opinions on this matter. Seven year olds are absolutely aware of their internal sense of gender and outside influences can do little to change it. I certainly wouldn't want parents encouraging anything but if it is coming from the child at that age, I would hope the parents would listen and seek professional assistance in dealing with it.

But Parents are responsible for the decisions at a young age what if they are wrong?
www.sexchangeregret.com...

I heard that same statistic a lot over the next couple of years: 80 percent. 80 percent of young children who tell their parents they are transgender change their minds.

gendermom.wordpress.com...

Buried Stories of High-Profile Regret

thefederalist.com...

As a Woman who was a Man in one previous life that is well remembered I realize the cause certainly can be that early childhood a person can still be holding on to a prior life memory and self identity.

a reply to: Char-Lee

true unfortunately we read about it way too often

originally posted by: SubTruth
Assume much......I asked a simple straight forward question.......I wonder if the gay community supports this?

How does this simple question imply they are for or against it? You make a point of saying why would they support this.......Lets hear what the gay leadership has to say about it first.......See the irony you are actually the one assuming not me........

Okay, I want to know who is the "gay leadership" or if you believe there is some solidarity movement out there supporting this kind of treatment of a three year old as part of some dubious agenda to turn the world queer. Why do you assume gay people have any more stake in this or opinion about it than other people.

Gay, transgender and transsexual people have been lumped into "community" for political power and expediency. My own experience is that gay people don't understand trans* issues any better than others. Note I didn't say "straight" people because I don't want to lump them into one unified group of common thought as you have done by inferring all gays think alike or that their "leadership" is issuing policy statements on how to think.

originally posted by: EKron

originally posted by: SubTruth
Assume much......I asked a simple straight forward question.......I wonder if the gay community supports this?

How does this simple question imply they are for or against it? You make a point of saying why would they support this.......Lets hear what the gay leadership has to say about it first.......See the irony you are actually the one assuming not me........

Okay, I want to know who is the "gay leadership" or if you believe there is some solidarity movement out there supporting this kind of treatment of a three year old as part of some dubious agenda to turn the world queer. Why do you assume gay people have any more stake in this or opinion about it than other people.

Gay, transgender and transsexual people have been lumped into "community" for political power and expediency. My own experience is that gay people don't understand trans* issues any better than others. Note I didn't say "straight" people because I don't want to lump them into one unified group of common thought as you have done by inferring all gays think alike or that their "leadership" is issuing policy statements on how to think.

OK I guess I did not make myself clear enough.......The gay movement does have leaders and this is a.......FACT. All I did was ask the question I wonder if they are for or against this.......


Why is this so hard to understand........It was a simple question. Should I phrase it another way or underline key words or something?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: blacktie
Puberty is when a lot of sexual identity kicks in, not in nursery school.

This is of course very true. Child sexual abuse can also confuse a child's sexuality.

Actually not true.

The science of fluid sexuality is fairly new. Recent studies say sexual orientation is developed early on in utero.

The abused say different and there are many studies which say the same.

For him – as for many men who are sexually abused – this led to internal struggles with shame and with understanding his own masculinity and identity. Other battles ensued, including struggles with pornography, sexual addiction and homosexuality.

www.citizenlink.com...

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: blacktie
Puberty is when a lot of sexual identity kicks in, not in nursery school.

This is of course very true. Child sexual abuse can also confuse a child's sexuality.

Actually not true.

The science of fluid sexuality is fairly new. Recent studies say sexual orientation is developed early on in utero.

The abused say different and there are many studies which say the same.

For him – as for many men who are sexually abused – this led to internal struggles with shame and with understanding his own masculinity and identity. Other battles ensued, including struggles with pornography, sexual addiction and homosexuality.

www.citizenlink.com...

CITIZENLINK ---- nothing like God guilt.

CitizenLink is a family advocacy organization that inspires men and women to live out biblical citizenship that transforms culture. As a public policy partner of Focus on the Family, we provide resources that equip citizens to make their voices heard on critical social policy issues involving the sanctity of human life, the preservation of religious liberties and the well-being of the family as the building block of society.

www.citizenlink.com...

a reply to: Char-Lee

Char-Lee your sources are biased. There is so much crap on the Internet, it is easy to find things that support any different viewpoint and the true numbers of regret come no where close comparing to the numbers of successful and happy outcomes.

As far as some past life memories? I prefer science and fact over superstition and belief.

a reply to: Annee

CITIZENLINK ---- nothing like God guilt.

Grabbed the first there are many many...I am sure you realize this.

a reply to: EKron

As far as some past life memories? I prefer science and fact over superstition and belief.

Maybe you should look into this more, it has plenty of proof, personally I only have my memories.