Enacting a basic income for all Americans

a reply to: dawnstar

That's an interesting concept.

Business' actually training people to fill a needed position instead of relying on the government to educate someone to already be prepared to do the job?

Considering they are the ones that profit, that almost makes more sense.

I say almost because what matters most is that we do not burden the private sector with actual business expenses like training their employees.

Anything but is nothing short of socialism.

The weird thing is, you'd think with all the corporate donors that prop up the GOP and the Republican party, they'd LOVE illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants = cheap labor.

Cheap labor = better bottom line, more shareholder profit. That really is what motivates corporations, profit.

a reply to: dawnstar

That's kind of my point. We were expecting flying cars, and we got a replacement for libraries, schools, newspapers and TV's. All of which can be held in one hand, and is -- by just about everyone over 10 in the western world in 2015.

(ok, ok, we use our smartphones to watch Porn and check sports scores, ho ho!)

None of us know what tomorrow will bring. I work 50 hours a week in a machine shop because I love machines and making stuff, and well, because AT&T had 100,000 com-techs in 97 when I started, and less than 12,000 ten years later. That's life. I'll keep riding it until I can't anymore, or until it changes somehow.

The point of this thread was never to make some people feel like "they" might have to pay for everyone else. The point is that the resources are there, and the proper use of technology will free us all from the rat-race sooner or later. If it doesn't kill us first.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
The weird thing is, you'd think with all the corporate donors that prop up the GOP and the Republican party, they'd LOVE illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants = cheap labor.

Cheap labor = better bottom line, more shareholder profit. That really is what motivates corporations, profit.

They DO love illegal immigrants, it's just that they cannot admit it and have to continue to push the propaganda narrative/talking points.

a reply to: onequestion
he used to have to spend a few hours along with a few phone calls just trying to figure out what the company wanted because he knew what he saw in the blueprints wasn't it, before he could even set the job up! would irratate the crap out of him.

Don't even get me started on educated idiots and their blueprints.

Haha, good times.

a reply to: MystikMushroom
they loved them until they noticed that the immigrants weren't holding american "values" and speaking the english language. then well, they didn't love them as much. I think they are trying to backtrack there but well that is gonna take some time.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ketsuko

only, the artisans tend not to grow big enough to hire people...
at least not the ones I know of.
the ones I know of do what they do because they enjoy doing it. more like small cottage industries than big companies, and well, our dear gov't with all the bull crap regulations and taxes tend to drive some of them bonkers!

All right, speaking from experience, you have no idea how quickly something you love ceases to be that once you are doing it to get something else.

You can romanticize about how wonderful it would be to do nothing except brew blueberry moonshine all day to trade for the other artisan goods you want, but when you discover that the robot food is the equivalent of today's GMO crap and you decide that you don't want to live on that stuff so you need to produce enough to trade to for someone else's organic and home-canned food and grass-fed lean meat ... and the robot produced clothing is shoddy and falls apart and doesn't fit your frame well, so you need to produce enough to trade for some handmade tailored clothing in colors you like ...

Need I continue?

Suddenly, your hobby just became a job and is a lot less fun.

a reply to: dawnstar

Well when your education is more valuable then your experience and your ability and your able to network your way into higher positions over the people who have worked hard to acquire their knowledge through their own will power and accord then you have problems like we have now all over the world.

a reply to: 0zzymand0s
can you imagine when it does get automated and those blueprints are automatically programmed in and the parts made and then automatically put together?? should be rather interesting!!!

a reply to: dawnstar

is that not happening already>

a reply to: dawnstar

I graduated in 1977, we were expecting flying cars like was in the jetsons. still waiting and well I kind of doubt that it wasn't in our ability to do it but rather, somewhere there were people who didn't want it to happen because they would lose profits somehow.

Remember our classmates' siblings and cousins coming home from VietNam?

The riots on campuses?
In my town, the students set the Student Union on fire....my parents had shielded me (somehow) from a lot of that, but I remember it as shocking.

a reply to: ketsuko

don't buy it, many of the ones I know are making pretty good money and well, they like what they are doing. I imagine that even if they had to do it, which some of them do, well they still wouldn't trade it for a job as a drone in some automated shop. they are creative people and that is what they are thriving on, the creativity!

a reply to: onequestion
not in the shop my husband was working at, it was just a small three person shop and well they weren't really into mass producing products. they were mainly into tool and die making. but being able to draw blueprints wasn't part of my husband's job. read them ya, but read them,detect the errors and fix them, no. he didn't go to school for that, although he did learn how to do that on his own accord.. and well had enough sense to check the blueprints before he started cutting because well he got so used to them being wrong.

a reply to: dawnstar

Thats awesome!

Yeah in a lot of small circles having handcrafted custom work done is becoming more popular especially with wood.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ketsuko

don't buy it, many of the ones I know are making pretty good money and well, they like what they are doing. I imagine that even if they had to do it, which some of them do, well they still wouldn't trade it for a job as a drone in some automated shop. they are creative people and that is what they are thriving on, the creativity!

I bought my education doing what I loved. You read that right. Past tense. Once it more or less become my job, it stopped being something I loved as much as I thought.

So, you can't bank on it. And the OP already has pointed out that people have a passion for everything. What do you say to the people who have a passion for jobs in the current economy? You know, the ones about to be made obsolete by your "new way" ... the people who don't have crafty skills.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs
oh, I met one vet that well, we were at a party and he was sitting by us, drinking a beer. He would start shouting like he was in a battle, lit a cigarette on the filter end and just proceeded to smoke it with the flames coming up from it, and well, freaked me out rather good really. my husband was a nam vet but he spent most of his time in germany with the nukes. had one friend that had a brother mia, and well, ya I remember... but it was that one guy that stands out the most, it drove home just how screwed up it made some of the vets.

a reply to: ketsuko

Probably the same thing said to Horse and Buggy manufacturers in 1915.

a reply to: ketsuko
it's not actually my "new way" sorry, it's just one of the ways we could be heading into.
and well, we could head in that way and be great for everyone, or we could head in that way and it be a nightmare....the choice is ours really. can we change our mindset to adapt to such a thing, or will we be stubborn and well, insist on keeping the mindset we have regardless of the costs.
how many people are trapped today in jobs they hate, that they are ill fitted for, that they wake up dreading?

a reply to: nwtrucker

It's hard not to see who is promoting increases in minimum wages, free medical services, free 2 years of community college...to start, hints of reparations in 2016-after the next election-for slavery, free social security for new 'un-illegals...shall I gone on?

Not really, when have the republicans decreased minimum wages?

In regards to gov;t funded medical services will see, but Romney praised it for his state. In regards to the others, its to early to tell anything , but will see what the republicans do the next time they get elected .

However, I don't recall any significant tax reforms, de regulation, or anything that the republicans have undone as of the last several decades while in office that benefited the consumers in the long run.

The democrats caters to 40% of the people, the republicans cater to 40% of the people and the lobbyist controls 80% of the people by using them.

As a matter of fact both parties besides lip services have given you the same thing.

1. More taxes
2. Bigger Gov't
3. Less personal rights.

Can the right be only giving lip-service protest to some of these moves? Absolutely.

Its exactly what they have been doing.

Republicans Talk about how great the free market and capitalism are , then they go and use tax payers money to bailout private corporations and they decide the winners and looser of the market.

Republicans Talk about how big gov't is horrible , then they go and create new gov't programs like Homeland security and the patriot act.

Republicans Talk about state rights over federal laws, then they go and make it illegal for states to decide for themselves if they should be allowed to label GMO products as GMO.

Republicans Talk about how horrible illegal immigration is, then offer you a B$ solution and for a way to milk the tax payers. There plan will cost more tax payers money to create and maintain the great wall of US, while their private companies take the profit from the top.

Illegal immigration is the easiest problem to fix overnight, PROSECUTE the people hiring them and they will not come here. If illegal immigrants don't have an incentive to come hear they wont. Hence , no problem with the Canadians, they don't have an incentive to come here because they aren't willing to work for slave labor.

Instead the republicans are trying to capitaliz on a crisis, as they say never let a good crisis go to waste.

...... shall I gone on?

A pox on both parties....

While both parties are minor pox in this country, the lobbyist and our congress are suffering from a deadly cancer that must be treated before you look at the minor pox or any other issue .