ISIS Counterpunch Stuns U.S. and Iraq

The US and Iraq are according to some delusionary:

Scott Atran, an anthropologist who specializes in jihadi organizations, sees what even Iraqi officials acknowledge as the loss of Ramadi as more than just a propaganda boost. He accuses U.S. officials of spinning a dream world. “U.S. government and Iraqi government forces up until Saturday were saying Ramadi would never fall,” he notes.

He fumes: “Here is a group, attacked on all sides by a wide array of forces and countries, massively outnumbered, with no airpower, and unable to use their artillery because of that, having established a fully functioning state in less than a year, with functioning courts, police, customs, etc., defending a border 3,000 km long.” He continued: “While the Islamic militants’ reach has been limited in Iraq, it appears that these highly mobile Islamic State fighters who are able to switch the direction of their attacks from one side of the Syrian-Iraq border to the other, will now be targeting Syrian Kurdish forces to attract youth from 90 countries. And our government says these are weak, failed, and nihilistic gangs who are burning themselves out.”

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I said months ago and Ill say it again the only way to destroy ISIS is a REAL expeditionary force of 100,000 crack troops from this so called “coalition”


You can’t win a war like this, this stupid thing Obama is doing will never work

It’s all in or all out against religious fanatics


You have to have some kind of strategic plan or unified effort and organization. This ragtag “coalition” can’t beat the vicious group of religious fanatics…it’s too scattered with too many varying interests.

Either Obama is the biggest jack-ass in history or he’s deliberately leading this doomed “coalition” for some nefarious interests

It’s now the coalition of the delusional

Also they have to make an alliance with Syria and tell those so called FSA to STAND DOWN

Tell Turkey to act right or get the hell out of NATO


And for Obama to get some balls and become a leader


But none of this will be done so the future looks dim

U.S. officials are couching the loss of Ramadi as a setback rather than a blow, arguing they had always expected ups and downs and reversals mixed in with steady progress in the fight against the Islamic extremists and their Sunni allies in Iraq. Only on Friday, Brigadier General Thomas Weidley, chief of staff of the Combined Joint Task Force-Operation Inherent Resolve, was describing to reporters how ISIS is “on the defensive throughout Iraq and Syria,” although he cautioned that the terror army will still have “episodic successes” but they won’t “materialize into long-term gains.”

But episodic successes can soon start mounting into a pattern of wins. Despite Friday’s successful U.S. commando raid deep into ISIS territory in Syria that left as many as 40 militants dead, including three commanders, in the last few days ISIS has managed to mount powerful counterpunches more than 60 miles apart—in Iraq’s Ramadi and Syria’s Palmyra, the desert town that contains one of the world’s most important Roman heritage sites.

a reply to: Willtell

What a great idea!
Send 100,000 more corporate mercenaries in to install peace. Never gets old does it?

Let ISIS (AKA US, Saudi, Zionist) have it. They'll have contracts done with the majors and a pipeline built to Saudi/Bahrain refineries in no time.

Sending in 1 million troops isn't going to stop this. War isn't the answer as the anger and pain goes a lot deeper than that. There are so many more people willing to step up and die for their cause.

These people represent a large idea that western civilisation is destroying the world. We are taking all of its resources for ourselves and leaving millions to die from starvation. We have brought wars to their countries for hundreds of years....and this anger has been brewing for a long time.

There strong religious beliefs and the belief that what they are doing is right will make these people very hard to silence. The only thing I can see happening to fix this is hold our hands up and apologise. Apologise for the terrible things what have happened to those families who have been torn apart by the greed of our culture. It is wrong and give them what is rightfully theirs. Allow them to be able to feed themselves and not rely on charity. The 3rd world is created and can be stopped if we all wanted it to. But the problem is..we aren't willing to stand up .

Well once they finally get around to seizing a few airbases and establish an ISIL Airforce (even sounds cool) than we can finally have an excuse to nuke them and destroy any semblance of an eastern alliance not in lock step with the west. Almost there boys.

Create,fund,train and arm your future enemies let them go Frankenstein,pretend to fail then rinse and repeat when you need a new bogey man the objective is to no longer win but to perpetuate the war machine,if that means supporting every dog in a fight then so be it....thats what I think i've discerned from this schizophrenic adventure in the middle east.

a reply to: Willtell

Proven fact throughout history that untrained unmotivated troops break and run.

What they should've done was mandatory evacuate all civilians. Let Isis occupy it, then drop about 15 fuel air explosives on the city, then rebuild it.

That scenario would probably even end up costing less in the long run.

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
Well once they finally get around to seizing a few airbases and establish an ISIL Airforce (even sounds cool) than we can finally have an excuse to nuke them and destroy any semblance of an eastern alliance not in lock step with the west. Almost there boys.

I think that is the point. I think the US and others, nefariously, have caused this 'caliphate' in order to either nuke it or continue our war on terror for 50 more years. Every article reads like 1984. Oddly, it is only in the past 2 years I have seen US government organizations ending in 'sec' in the news and the words Eurasia and Oceania. Outside of that, I have only seen these words in the novel.
They are in wikipedia now, including Australiasia? Now that is an odd one.

Yeah, ISIS is a conspiracy to perpetuate munitions manufacturing. That's why we pulled out, right?

originally posted by: Willtell
The US and Iraq are according to some delusionary:

Scott Atran, an anthropologist who specializes in jihadi organizations, sees what even Iraqi officials acknowledge as the loss of Ramadi as more than just a propaganda boost. He accuses U.S. officials of spinning a dream world. “U.S. government and Iraqi government forces up until Saturday were saying Ramadi would never fall,” he notes.

He fumes: “Here is a group, attacked on all sides by a wide array of forces and countries, massively outnumbered, with no airpower, and unable to use their artillery because of that, having established a fully functioning state in less than a year, with functioning courts, police, customs, etc., defending a border 3,000 km long.” He continued: “While the Islamic militants’ reach has been limited in Iraq, it appears that these highly mobile Islamic State fighters who are able to switch the direction of their attacks from one side of the Syrian-Iraq border to the other, will now be targeting Syrian Kurdish forces to attract youth from 90 countries. And our government says these are weak, failed, and nihilistic gangs who are burning themselves out.”

www.thedailybeast.com...

I said months ago and Ill say it again the only way to destroy ISIS is a REAL expeditionary force of 100,000 crack troops from this so called “coalition”


You can’t win a war like this, this stupid thing Obama is doing will never work

It’s all in or all out against religious fanatics


You have to have some kind of strategic plan or unified effort and organization. This ragtag “coalition” can’t beat the vicious group of religious fanatics…it’s too scattered with too many varying interests.

Either Obama is the biggest jack-ass in history or he’s deliberately leading this doomed “coalition” for some nefarious interests

It’s now the coalition of the delusional

Also they have to make an alliance with Syria and tell those so called FSA to STAND DOWN

Tell Turkey to act right or get the hell out of NATO


And for Obama to get some balls and become a leader


But none of this will be done so the future looks dim

U.S. officials are couching the loss of Ramadi as a setback rather than a blow, arguing they had always expected ups and downs and reversals mixed in with steady progress in the fight against the Islamic extremists and their Sunni allies in Iraq. Only on Friday, Brigadier General Thomas Weidley, chief of staff of the Combined Joint Task Force-Operation Inherent Resolve, was describing to reporters how ISIS is “on the defensive throughout Iraq and Syria,” although he cautioned that the terror army will still have “episodic successes” but they won’t “materialize into long-term gains.”

But episodic successes can soon start mounting into a pattern of wins. Despite Friday’s successful U.S. commando raid deep into ISIS territory in Syria that left as many as 40 militants dead, including three commanders, in the last few days ISIS has managed to mount powerful counterpunches more than 60 miles apart—in Iraq’s Ramadi and Syria’s Palmyra, the desert town that contains one of the world’s most important Roman heritage sites.

Have you considered that the build-up of ISIS is all part of the plan to justify reentering the ME to achieve geo-political objectives, and that the media paints it exactly as it has to "manufacture your consent?"

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: Willtell

What a great idea!
Send 100,000 more corporate mercenaries in to install peace. Never gets old does it?

Let ISIS (AKA US, Saudi, Zionist) have it. They'll have contracts done with the majors and a pipeline built to Saudi/Bahrain refineries in no time.

OMG. Didn't you know that pipelines and multi-billion contracts for American firms such as Halliburton are tools of democracy and freedom!? Traitor!

IS are a terminal cancer. Nothing will stop them. They will acquire some nasty weapons, if they have not already, and they WILL use them. These people don't value life. When a believer dies, they become a martyr. When a non-believer dies, they deserve it. We have our greedy banksters, corporations and sell-out leaders to thank for this mess.

IS may be evil but they are definitely nowhere near as evil as the monsters that led to their creation.

Why is this our war to fight?

Or is it the same old if we don't fight them there then we will fight them on main steet garbage.

Let them try and fight us here. In the mean time let those in the ME take care of them whIle we support with air strikes.

Send in troops and watch am equal surge of new jihadis flock to the region, we should continue to send SF units and bomb them until they realise leaving the house results in a jdam to the face.

Iraq had its problems but it was fine until we went in, america lost thousands of men, we lost a few hundred, other nations lost men too, and this is the result.

Its probably inevitable that troops will be sent in but the cycle will continue.

Troops go in and kill people, those peoples family's get pissed and rise up, they get put down and more people get pissed, eventually it starts to look like a genocide aimed at Muslims and then more of them start to sympathize and move into the region.

a reply to: Sremmos80
I agree with you. It seems for every insurgent we kill and every casualty that may come along with it....it motivates 10 more to join them. This was my experience in Iraq.

I dont have an answer as to what would be the right move, but I agree with you it should be others' fight.

On a sidenote, it kills me inside knowing what they are doing to innocent children.

the mind-set of the radical-fundamentalist-extremist fighters of the Caliphate/Islam/IS will always eclipse the pragmatic world-view of the western military complex...

the fighters for IS...logically know 'they' fall short of being in an honored state in the next-life... so death, or throwing-away one's life is small potatoes.... they will willfully 'storm-the-gates' and die needlessly just to justify-in-their-mind that they will receive rewards-in-the-after life (72 virgins and all)


the western forces already fought against a force of like mind.... the Japanese in WW2 swore on the death-bed to honor the emperor...the Kamakazi phalanx of pilots were notorious in their actions (but to no avail- in the long run)~ much like the suicide bombers driving trucks in the ME


ADD

a reply to: Sremmos80


pin prick airstrikes (the Obama process of action~)~~ or drone warfare is not the whole solution

a reply to: St Udio

But it took nuclear weapons to stop the fanatical Japanese. There may be similarities, but the situations are quite different. The same will not happen with IS. Nukes will only mean the end of everything - and I can bet IS will obtain them and use them.

Okay then just let them murder, rape, and pillage all of the Mideast while conspiracy dogma about “corporate” jihadist reigns.

Ladies and gentlemen the real world isn’t made up of conspiracy dogma completely. It has its degree of reality but isn’t what the world is made up of completely.

This talk about ISIS IS A PLOT to reenter the Mideast is absurd

THERE ALREADY IN THE MIDEAST!

You people don’t realize THESE NUTS WILL KILL YOU

a reply to: Willtell

Why is it our problem to deal with? Let the people in the middle east take care of it.

It's about time we minded our own business.

a reply to: introvert

Um, you have a short memory, or are completely ignorant of recent history. IS exist as a direct consequence of western foreign policy. Our governments, and those who supported the wars are all responsible for their existence. It is all of our business whether we like it or not. The cancer is spreading.

a reply to: St Udio

1.In world war 2 we did not run away
2.In world war 2 we had steel purpose,resolve and will

My prediction for the middle east = Pol Pot Redux