Connect the dots, do the comparison, US is preparing for civil war

a reply to: TorinoFer
More Jade Helm stuff? Russia and China do in fact do these types of practice operations. As does nearly every other country. We just have a higher than normal paranoid blog media presence here. The difference is in China or Russia the public would never be made aware. You would think by the paranoia around Jade Helm they were going door to door bag and tagging citizens. When in reality they arent even in public places.

As far as thr other stuff its all the same as it ever was. Yeah we are being divided by the media and politics. Fact is were too stupid to do anything about it and realize we have more in common against greed and corruption. Blame us for our stupidity.

They may be preparing for the inevitable day when they have to round up every Muslim for relocation just like we had to do to the Japanese in WWII, after they succeed at one of their endless planned attacks and rally to a jihadi guerilla uprising fifth column style. That day may never come but it is always good to have a plan in place in case it is needed.

Gotta look at every angle to the daily doom porn.

They'd damn well better be prepared for "alien something". But most rumors indicate that's already handled. I'm not preparing for a civil war; I'm preparing for the next election.
a reply to: TorinoFer

a reply to: Rocker2013

You seem to be another American complaining about nothing

I don't think OP is American. Look at his speech pattern. He says, "United States government" instead the THE United States government, as an American would. He says "the painting on the wall" when it's actually the writing on the wall. I don't know, maybe he is an immigrant and English is his second language, but something about the whole post seems off. We've had a rash of Russian propaganda posters, posting "America is doomed!" and anti American ops every day. Not saying OP is one of them, but this is a familiar theme.

The government has listed sovereign citizens the greatest domestic threat.

The states involved with Jade Helm have large militia movements and groups.

The difference between civil war talk between now and the last decades is the local police were not militarized like they are today.

The government knows exactly who the threats are from wiretapping.

Posse Comitatus is no longer law or they couldn't do this.

There is more than enough reasons to be concerned about this.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
The government has listed sovereign citizens the greatest domestic threat.

Wrong again.
The government has stated that there are extremist threats within the US more dangerous to other citizens than a threat from ISIS. And they are right, you just need to look at plenty of the right-wing paranoia on this very forum, follow the links to right-wing blogs, check out the seminars of Christian fundamentalists...

There are plenty of right-wing groups in the US actively speaking about civil war, revolution, a crusade. You need to stop putting a colour, nationality or religious ideology on the notion of what terrorism is.

If you are talking about using violence to change the democratically elected government, or forcing your notions of government onto your society through uprising, you are going to be on a list and deserve to be there.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
The states involved with Jade Helm have large militia movements and groups.

Do you have any actual data to back this up, or just your belief?

originally posted by: LDragonFire
The difference between civil war talk between now and the last decades is the local police were not militarized like they are today.

But hang on, this is a MILITARY exercise, so how are you now suggesting that the police being armed is some kind of "proof" of something?

What is this about, the police or the military?

originally posted by: LDragonFire
The government knows exactly who the threats are from wiretapping.

They don't need to do that, they just need to open an account on sites like ATS.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
Posse Comitatus is no longer law or they couldn't do this.

It is still law, and it is still possible, because Jade Helm is an EXERCISE.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
There is more than enough reasons to be concerned about this.

No, there really isn't.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
The government has listed sovereign citizens the greatest domestic threat.


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The states involved with Jade Helm have large militia movements and groups.




The difference between civil war talk between now and the last decades is the local police were not militarized like they are today.




The government knows exactly who the threats are from wiretapping.

Posse Comitatus is no longer law or they couldn't do this.

There is more than enough reasons to be concerned about this.

That doesn seem unusual though does it? Citizens are the biggest DOMESTIC threat right? Other than 911 (although debateable) a lot of other bad things have been done by sovereign citizens. They are already here and would be the greatest threat.

So do plenty of states not in Jade Helm.

Not really. Yes you are right about police militarization but, police are not robots they are soveriegn citizens. While they may be inclined to stop riots how would you keep them from joining a certain side of the civil war?

Spying is bad yes. Liberties are being taken.


The biggest concern started in the 90's when Bill Clinton signed the telecommunication act. That was the end of journalism and the start of all out opinion programming (mostly just for greed purposes).

Then there was citizens united which was directly a result of the telecomm act. That destroyed the rest of the campaign finance rules and discussion. Its a soft kill. By the time what you are predicting will happen, the greed and ego of man will have ignored the technoligical singularity and that will be the real civil war. That one is nearly guranteed in about 25 years.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
just like we had to do to the Japanese in WWII,

Nice rewriting of history there.
The US government has apologized more than once for the incarceration of entirely innocent Japanese citizens during that time, people who were never any threat to their fellow citizens.

I'm glad you have no influence or power, you seem to be living in the 1940's rather than today, accusing an entire subculture of AMERICAN CITIZENS of being a potential terrorist based entirely on their religious belief.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
just like we had to do to the Japanese in WWII,

Nice rewriting of history there.
The US government has apologized more than once for the incarceration of entirely innocent Japanese citizens during that time, people who were never any threat to their fellow citizens.

I'm glad you have no influence or power, you seem to be living in the 1940's rather than today, accusing an entire subculture of AMERICAN CITIZENS of being a potential terrorist based entirely on their religious belief.

They were no threat because we removed from society the cover they would have provided for Japanese enemy agents for them to freely operate from. So it is correct to say the people themselves who were detained were no threat but it was necessary to do in all out world war, a clash that could only end in unconditional surrender by one side. All cards were on the table then, we have not reached that point but if we do then anything goes.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

Wrong again.
The government has stated that there are extremist threats within the US more dangerous to other citizens than a threat from ISIS. And they are right, you just need to look at plenty of the right-wing paranoia on this very forum, follow the links to right-wing blogs, check out the seminars of Christian fundamentalists...

There are plenty of right-wing groups in the US actively speaking about civil war, revolution, a crusade. You need to stop putting a colour, nationality or religious ideology on the notion of what terrorism is.

If you are talking about using violence to change the democratically elected government, or forcing your notions of government onto your society through uprising, you are going to be on a list and deserve to be there.

Ok how is what I wrote wrong when you just confirmed what I wrote? Also please don't speak for me, comment on what I wrote not what you think I believe.

Do you have any actual data to back this up, or just your belief?

Its common knowledge that the militia movement was crushed under Clinton and has seen a steady rise since Obama was elected. If you don't know this I can't help if you live under a rock.

But hang on, this is a MILITARY exercise, so how are you now suggesting that the police being armed is some kind of "proof" of something?

What is this about, the police or the military?

If you have read the official Jade Helm articles you will see local law enforcement will be involved.

They don't need to do that, they just need to open an account on sites like ATS.

You know this to be true? How do you know?

It is still law, and it is still possible, because Jade Helm is an EXERCISE.

I don't believe you.

No, there really isn't.

Many citizens not related to conspiracy theory sites disagree with you and so do I.

a reply to: Rocker2013

Just to play devils advocate, our forefathers did say violence is needed from time to time to keep democracy going. I wouldnt say we were democratically elected, we are a republic and its questionable wether or not we are an oligarchy. Many social scientists have pointed out we are. While we may think we elect people (the consolidated media tells us to) we do not effect public policy at all according to many top social scientists.

Also morally an uprising doesnt mean bad. Sometimes when nothing elsw works thats all you are left with. If the government made a law to kill every third child would it be ok to use force to stop it? What is tacid support? When we spread diseases in hundoras (which clinton apoligized for) or spread radiation in housing complexes in St Louis (which we also admitted during Obama) would that be an ok time for an uprising?

I get what you are saying, people usually dwell on the things that dont matter or at best are a symptom of the bigger problem.

Yes. Think they have some major meltdowns and civil unrest with Isil waiting in the wings. Obama has gotten rid of alot of military and generals, in addition brought in alot of middle east into the white house and military. I can't imagine why he did that, can you?

a reply to: TorinoFer


Just like Alex Jones and Jessie this OP points at nothing and says the sky is falling.



Why not point at the real issues.......Economic apathy that is reaching critical levels......Both political parties have bought into the progressive lie........Millennial generation is failing big time and has a average -2 savings rate........College has turned into a lie and 40% can not find work in field after graduation.......Government taking over the banking system including college and house loans.........Bailing out companies that should have failed........Progressive ideals ruining schools and households across the country.........The standard of living is no longer rising but declining.



And I saved the biggest one for last........Inflation.......It will crash the economy eventually because the bottom wage earners will not be able to afford food and housing in the near future. Anyone making under 15 dollars an hour or household of 30,000 is screwed. This will happen unless deflation comes in a big way.

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: Rocker2013

You seem to be another American complaining about nothing

I don't think OP is American. Look at his speech pattern. He says, "United States government" instead the THE United States government, as an American would. He says "the painting on the wall" when it's actually the writing on the wall. I don't know, maybe he is an immigrant and English is his second language, but something about the whole post seems off. We've had a rash of Russian propaganda posters, posting "America is doomed!" and anti American ops every day. Not saying OP is one of them, but this is a familiar theme.

Yes, I think I agree with you, after this sentence

That it is normal to have black choppers fly at night through the city

Which city?

And we in the US would say "our government".

You just might be right. Good catch.

seems interesting to me that most people responded with aggressive replies to the op what about respecting someone's opinion and trying to see the proof in it. No those memebers on here want to call some crazy when in fact we all are a little crazy for even coming to a place like this. It looks to me like the poster has a good idea going but all the naysayers have to say things like go outside implying we've never been outside before. Almost ignorance to do that but I digress. Anyone with an intelligent thought process can see were being preconditioned for a lot of events, et or possibly space defense force, mars one is not too far away, civil unrest all over the globe, major confrontation between superpowers. All it takes is some quick searching on any news site you can see the preconditioning. Anyway what I'm saying is we need to digress from just posting to slander saying go outside for once is condescending and those post should be removed. But then again look at the mods. Look at the people leaving after being here for a very long time. We are declining and ats is helping that process by losing its ideals and being sold out. By the way rmt of this size and nature are not commonplace in us soil. And for those that think able archer applies that was Europe not us and that was over 30 years ago. Emerald warrior? Sorry that was on Fed owned land, do not try to assimilate your idea to someone and then condescend them for posting something. Not once in history has the special forces had to infiltrate 7 states for a military exercise. While declaring states hostile. Look that up.

a reply to: cmdrkeenkid

We already have a civil war being fought on American soil, The War on Drugs.

After 9/11 and the expansion of the surveillance state, they focused almost exclusively on drug investigations while using the guise of keeping us safe from terrorists to justify more surveillance and more wiretaps.

That said, Posse Comitatus no longer applies. In fact most Americans are clueless to what that even means.

I don't really think a civil war will occur, but something more along the lines of mass civil unrest, or an uprising/revolting against the powerful government, those in positions of authority and power, those that are corrupters and liars, those organizations that people feel cannot be trusted.

Sometimes I do feel the government thinks its own citizens are its own worst enemy. While it will never get to the point of how Stalin handled it, killing millions of his own people, there is so much distrust out there between the government and its citizens. There's so much surveillance out there. It seems you cant go anywhere nowadays without being on video, cctv. Phones being tapped into and tracked to know where you are, things like this. They are testing facial recognition technology. The NSA. I'm sure you out there with more knowledge about this than me can add to the list.

And as technology grows, this will just get more out of control IMO. People wont take it anymore someday, and stand up to it eventually.

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: TorinoFer


Just like Alex Jones and Jessie this OP points at nothing and says the sky is falling.



Why not point at the real issues.......Economic apathy that is reaching critical levels......Both political parties have bought into the progressive lie........Millennial generation is failing big time and has a average -2 savings rate........College has turned into a lie and 40% can not find work in field after graduation.......Government taking over the banking system including college and house loans.........Bailing out companies that should have failed........Progressive ideals ruining schools and households across the country.........The standard of living is no longer rising but declining.



And I saved the biggest one for last........Inflation.......It will crash the economy eventually because the bottom wage earners will not be able to afford food and housing in the near future. Anyone making under 15 dollars an hour or household of 30,000 is screwed. This will happen unless deflation comes in a big way.

And the fact that social engineering has gone on the last 40 years, economically.

Let's look at it...how social engineering has become an economic windfall for a small group of people.

The disproportionate education standards for entrance into colleges. Some groups are allowed to get through with lower grades than their counterparts of the same age, they blame it on urban or suburban and yet the state issues the same material for every school and more federal money is funneled into urban schools because tax payers pay more for suburban schools. True fact.

So they take these students from inner city schools that have had the same materials as the rest of the state, they are permitted to lower the standards for them. Why? Because it makes them a permanent lower class. THAT is why they don't want Ben Carson to become president, because he WAS an inner city student who grew up without a father and it was his mother that pushed him to succeed.

OK, so now you have a portion of society that has been purposely allowed to go on without the same expectation as other groups. But then, allow illegal Mexican immigrants' children to come into schools with an even lowered education standard for them, allow Spanish to be the majority language in the inner city schools in California while at the same time not requiring of them to integrate into the rest of society. That keeps them permanently lower class because now they take jobs for less money, keeping them basically economic slaves. And who encourages this?

Those two groups of people have had disproportionate educational standards, because someone convinced them that the government was going to take care of them or allow them to work under the federal wage limit.

That's the trade off.

I am not saying one group is better or worse, please don't think that way. I am just saying that for the last 40 years these two groups have received disproportionate educational standards, then they get into the workplace with limited skills or only skills that is familiar within their social groups.

There is no reason a child of Mexican parents cannot become doctors and lawyers, they do indeed. But the trade off is that their parents accept the illegal wages under the federal level. And who is paying them the lower wages?

Legal immigrants get paid the federal wage, so become legal. And that is what the failure has become of our government. They are allowing the illegal immigrants to remain because it makes them a permanent lower class. I'm all for immigration, as long as it is legal.

By accepting the lower, illegal wages, two are at fault. The employer and the employee. Let me explain it to anyone here who might be a Mexican citizen living illegally here, if you take the lower wages that is illegal then you risk being a socially engineered second class non-citizen and the company you work for is exploiting you, illegally.

I grew up in Ohio and saw first hand the way migrant workers' children did not receive the same education, and yet on tv and the radio, all we heard then was that the children of migrant workers were actually smarter. THAT was social engineering when I was young and recognized that it was.

In principle I'm inclined to agree with you however I don't believe it will be a Civil War but rather a homegrown fight against a Globalist takeover via the UN. I'm sure the PTB would like nothing better than to have Americans going after each other first until exhausted making us all easy pickings..

A system based on infinite growth, on a finite planet, cannot sustain itself and will collapse.

To delay this process, while implementing a transitional system, two general goals are necessary.

The first, expansionary warfare over dwindling resources. This will culminate in global war between east and west, the victor shall be in charge of implementing the new global system.

The second, an erosion of domestic liberties to quell civil unrest, due to economic collapse.

The end result, is a Global Scientific Dictatorship. This system will be geared towards the survival of humans and the rest of life on Earth, instead of profits. Whether one considers this good or bad, the advent of technology demands a system that unites all of humanity, our technology is advancing exponentially and thus the destructive power humans wield. AI will be a major component in this system, treating every human the same, because humans in power are corruptible and threaten life on Earth. This system will also be geared towards colonizing space, because we are learning that putting all our eggs in one basket is not the optimum choice when considering the longevity of our species.

Take heart and rejoice, the Golden Age is soon upon us!