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There has long been a debate among scholars about the origins of the first inhabitants of North America. The most widely accepted theory is that sometime before 14,000 years ago, humans migrated from Siberia to Alaska by means of a "land bridge" that spanned the Bering Strait. However, in the 1990s, a small but vocal group of researchers proposed that North America was first settled by Upper Paleolithic people from Europe, who moved from east to west through Greenland via a glacial "ice bridge." Now, researchers at the University of Missouri, working with colleagues the Cleveland Museum of Natural History and elsewhere, have definitively disproved the ice bridge theory.
"We know, however, that Solutrean culture began around 22,000 to 17,000 years ago, which is later than North American dates pointed to by ice bridge theorists as proof that Solutrean people populated North America. That includes the date from the Cinmar mastodon."
originally posted by: Maxmars
There has long been a debate among scholars about the origins of the first inhabitants of North America. The most widely accepted theory is that sometime before 14,000 years ago, humans migrated from Siberia to Alaska by means of a "land bridge" that spanned the Bering Strait. However, in the 1990s, a small but vocal group of researchers proposed that North America was first settled by Upper Paleolithic people from Europe, who moved from east to west through Greenland via a glacial "ice bridge." Now, researchers at the University of Missouri, working with colleagues the Cleveland Museum of Natural History and elsewhere, have definitively disproved the ice bridge theory.
Alternate theory of inhabitation of North America disproved
It's been a while since I last heard of someone confident enough to proclaim a cherished, long taught, anthropological theory "disproved. A professor of anthropology at Michigan University and dean of the College of Arts and Science is the subject of this declaration:
"We know, however, that Solutrean culture began around 22,000 to 17,000 years ago, which is later than North American dates pointed to by ice bridge theorists as proof that Solutrean people populated North America. That includes the date from the Cinmar mastodon."
So according to the data gathered the whole 'land-bridge' idea was probably not valid? It still seems like their dancing around acknowledging, that early mankind may not have been the cave-dwelling, survivalist dimwit after all... more likely the Americas had been visited by multiple distinct long, long ago.
originally posted by: rickymouse
Although I do not agree with the land bridge theory being the only way that humans got to America, I have to say that this does not prove that it didn't happen that way. What it does say as the conclusions made that we got here this way were not valid. I think some may have come over that way, but the people in South America probably wouldn't have gone up from Africa then back around and down all the way to the lower end of South America.
originally posted by: WarminIndy
originally posted by: rickymouse
Although I do not agree with the land bridge theory being the only way that humans got to America, I have to say that this does not prove that it didn't happen that way. What it does say as the conclusions made that we got here this way were not valid. I think some may have come over that way, but the people in South America probably wouldn't have gone up from Africa then back around and down all the way to the lower end of South America.
I say it was Pangaea. I know that theory is very hotly debated, but if you look at the globe, it makes sense.
originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: WarminIndy
Going by that logic, t-rex is not extinct either, it's just now a hybrid. The chicken
As one example, the Duffy Null allele (FY*0) has a frequency of almost 100% of Sub-Saharan Africans, but occurs very infrequently in populations outside of this region. A person having this gene is thus more likely to have Sub-Saharan African ancestors.
The frequency of the Duffy phenotypes varies in different populations. The Duffy null phenotype, Fy(a-b-), is rare among Caucasian and Asian populations, whereas it is the most common phenotype in Blacks, occurring in over two-thirds of the Black population. The racial variation in the distribution of Duffy antigens is a result of a positive selection pressure—the absence of Duffy antigens on RBCs makes the RBCs more resistant to invasion by a malarial parasite.
rs2814778 is within the DARC gene, which encodes the Duffy blood group antigen [PMID 7663520]. This SNP shows an almost perfectly fixed difference in frequency between Europeans and those with African ancestry. (One exception appears to be a certain population of Czech gypsies, and certain non-Ashkenazi Jewish populations.) Additionally the Namibian San samples of the CEPH-HGDP are, uncharacteristically for Africans, all AA homozygotes for this SNP. The rs2814778 (G) allele is associated with African populations, while rs2814778 (A) is associated with European populations and southwestern Native American populations.
Three of them carried the African marker Duffy null. All four families carried with the mutation the same haplotype most frequent in African populations; Amerindian alleles D9D1120*9 and Diego A; or Kell allele K were absent. HDL2 in Venezuela had a low, but higher relative frequency (2.6%) than that in other Caucasoid populations. It should be searched first in choreic patients not having HTT mutations. The most likely remote ethnic origin for all detected families was African.
originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: WarminIndy
Going by that logic, t-rex is not extinct either, it's just now a hybrid. The chicken
originally posted by: WarminIndy
The Solutrean theory has been out for a while now.
And there have been many artifacts in Virginia that are much older than Clovis.
The land bridge theory was just a theory.
They are even starting to question Out of Africa, because much older bones have been found.
The finding that Europeans have Neanderthal ancestry is really throwing them for a loop because it destroyed their paradigm.
I have 2.9% Neanderthal, geneticists say that Asian have higher percentages.
Right now they are still saying that Neanderthal is extinct, yet according to their own definition a species is not extinct if it has descendents. Neanderthal is not extinct, merely hybrid.
Some of those genes may be traceable to modern Eurasians making whoopee with Neanderthals. Apparently some Eurasians migrated to eastern Africa 3,000 years ago, in what New Scientist calls “humanity’s unexpected U-turn.” Their descendants later migrated south. This latest report doesn’t mean that all or even most sub-Saharan Africans have Neanderthal ancestry, nor does it alter the fact that humans can be roughly divided into geographical groups (or races, to use the politically incorrect term). But clearly the human family tree is more gnarled and bushlike than was supposed only a few years ago. Modern humans apparently mated not only with Neanderthals but with another group of distant cousins, the mysterious Denisovans. And the various breeds of hominid got around, sometimes retracing the steps of their ancestors.
The two studies add detail to a growing consensus that modern human ancestors did more than bump elbows and eventually replace the Neanderthals that preceded them out of Africa. They mated with them around 50,000 years ago — a series of as many as 300 encounters that has left a 1% to 3% Neanderthal footprint on the genome of anatomically modern Europeans and Asians, the researchers said.
The slightly larger Neanderthal footprint among East Asians is not easily explained without a second "pulse" of gene transfer after they parted from Europeans, Akey's study suggests. “It’s a two-night-stand theory now,” Akey said.
Ancient DNA has revealed that humans living some 40,000 years ago in the area near Beijing were likely related to many present-day Asians and Native Americans.
Humans with morphology similar to present-day humans appear in the fossil record across Eurasia between 40,000 and 50,000 years ago.
originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: peter vlar
Peter Vlar
I am sure that you are aware now of the theory of multiple waves of migration into the Americas.
Neanderthal DNA apparently had an introgression back into African, where it had not originated, and now another theory is proposed that some individuals with Neanderthal DNA went back to Africa.
Some of those genes may be traceable to modern Eurasians making whoopee with Neanderthals. Apparently some Eurasians migrated to eastern Africa 3,000 years ago, in what New Scientist calls “humanity’s unexpected U-turn.” Their descendants later migrated south. This latest report doesn’t mean that all or even most sub-Saharan Africans have Neanderthal ancestry, nor does it alter the fact that humans can be roughly divided into geographical groups (or races, to use the politically incorrect term). But clearly the human family tree is more gnarled and bushlike than was supposed only a few years ago. Modern humans apparently mated not only with Neanderthals but with another group of distant cousins, the mysterious Denisovans. And the various breeds of hominid got around, sometimes retracing the steps of their ancestors.
Are we still calling them a species of human that didn't arise from primate, but AMH, or now BMH, did come from primates from Africa? Then the primate humans mated with non-primate humans?
Linked article
The two studies add detail to a growing consensus that modern human ancestors did more than bump elbows and eventually replace the Neanderthals that preceded them out of Africa. They mated with them around 50,000 years ago — a series of as many as 300 encounters that has left a 1% to 3% Neanderthal footprint on the genome of anatomically modern Europeans and Asians, the researchers said.
How did they arrive at the number 300?
The slightly larger Neanderthal footprint among East Asians is not easily explained without a second "pulse" of gene transfer after they parted from Europeans, Akey's study suggests. “It’s a two-night-stand theory now,” Akey said.
Then it would stand to reason that if all NA were from Asia, then there should be a significant higher percentage of Neanderthal in them, because NA populations were endogamous and bottle necked.
Ancient DNA has revealed that humans living some 40,000 years ago in the area near Beijing were likely related to many present-day Asians and Native Americans.
You are giving a very narrow time frame for migrations and settlements of people groups. I find it unlikely that it takes humans a billion years to even get to human, and yet once they become human, that's when they migrate? Could they not have evolved in transit?
One thing that I question is this, if any individual needs the modifications to survive any ecosystem, then how did they survive in areas that they needed the modification for? As it is evident that Neanderthal was adapted already to their cold environment, then the adaptation must have happened in transit or Neanderthal arose independently fully modified for their environment.
Humans with morphology similar to present-day humans appear in the fossil record across Eurasia between 40,000 and 50,000 years ago.
Does this mean that Asians come from morphologically similar humans...or are they descended from humans?
Neanderthal is human, regardless of where it comes from. To say that Neanderthal and Denisovan are somehow "different humans" is fairly arrogant on the part of BMH.
I am sorry, but the term "present-day humans" is offensive to me.