Now That It Is Spring... "Arctic Is Melting! "

a reply to: swanne

I know about maximums and minimums - and trust me, you don't want me to go on that topic.

I really like those topics when they are backed up with evidence.

The article was clearly not about maximum / minimums. It simply made the statement that the whole of Arctic would melt, and timed this declaration with the arrival of spring.

Personally I don't think the "whole" arctic will melt this year. It may melt more than it has in our recorded history, but I think there will still be some ice left however if the whole thing does melt then that would be an unprecedented event for recorded history. I can't imagine why anyone would want to downplay something like that unless they had a vested interest for doing so.

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
As for saying "climate goes through cycles"...to me, thats like someone claiming a person was killed and someone going "but people die naturally"

Oh..ok, case closed then!

The analogy is unfair.

There are billions of humans. There is only one Earth. Causality for its climate change is therefore subject to scenario elimination by contradiction, whereas not all humans die following the same scenario.

a reply to: swanne

... sorry, just no doom here. but more doom climate BS.

if ever see level rise cos of the ice melting in north sea this year i will give You all i have, ok?

www.suspicious0bservers.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink">www.suspicious0bservers.org...< br />
www.rtcc.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink">www.rtcc.org... -sea-ice-reaches-record-high-as-arctic-hits-2014-minimum/

... there is much more, but i am lazy now.

sea level is not going to go up when ice in north sea is melting. do basic physics experimen(in some european schools it is elementary education)... put ice cube in to cap with some amout of water and wait till it melts... water level is not going to go up!
peace

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: 3danimator2014

Ok look here. I never said that my statement equals 100% man has had no effect on climate whatsoever. Theres a line between sarcasm and blatant disrespect your treading it.

Sorry buddy..i didnt realise that only you are allowed to mock other posters.

Back on topic, my point is that this is well known and taken into effect im sure when they come out with statements about the state of our climate.

originally posted by: swanne
a reply to: Oannes

You are joking, right?

I hope you are joking... Please tell me you are joking!

I have browsed ATS long enough to know he isnt.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

I really like those topics when they are backed up with evidence.

Then I am sure you stumbled upon this:

www.bbc.com...

The thinnest winter ice it has ever seen was in 2013. This February, in contrast, the Arctic floes were about 25cm (17%) thicker on average.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to downplay something like that unless they had a vested interest for doing so.

I knew you would say something like that.

So bloody predictable. If I don't agree with AGW, it can only mean that I am a paid shill, right?

For the record, I doubt AGW because after decades of being a believer, my observations showed inconsistency with global warming theory. I doubt AGW because the scientific method warns us against confusing theories for facts.

originally posted by: ZakOlongapo
a reply to: swanne

... sorry, just no doom here. but more doom climate BS.

if ever see level rise cos of the ice melting in north sea this year i will give You all i have, ok?

www.suspicious0bservers.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink">www.suspicious0bservers.org...< br />
www.rtcc.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink">www.rtcc.org... -sea-ice-reaches-record-high-as-arctic-hits-2014-minimum/

... there is much more, but i am lazy now.

sea level is not going to go up when ice in north sea is melting. do basic physics experimen(in some european schools it is elementary education)... put ice cube in to cap with some amout of water and wait till it melts... water level is not going to go up!
peace

I think you will find that basic physics will tell you that any water above the surface of the glass that melts into the glass will increase the amount of water in the glass. How can you not see this?

originally posted by: 3danimator2014


I have browsed ATS long enough to know he isnt.

Oy!

*facepalm*

a reply to: 3danimator2014

The climate is changing! Its been changing and will continue to change. The degree of human impact is unknown as records have only been kept in earnest for a short period of time. We a but a blip on the earth. So yes climates changing and yes an impact is occurring the degree of impact is unknown. But running around like chicken with its head cut off does absolutely nothing , nor does participating in rage science.

a reply to: pikestaff

Antarctic sea ice at its highest level since 1988, report in 'climate depot' earlier this year, and the Antarctic is now going into winter mode, so I presume as its colder down there, the sea ice will melt?

I once visited Climate Depots site where they had presented a graph detailing record lows except they were "low max" and when I posted pointing out that the graph was not what people generally refer to as lows and said people should look up what it means my post was promptly deleted and I was banned. LOL

Oh as for the Antarctic it is true that sea ice has increased, but the land ice has decreased and that is the stuff that can raise sea level. I am sure they didn't make the distinction.

The Nemesis system has been sighted long ago. Its 30 degrees below the elliptic plane, coming from the south pole region. Nibiru is one planet of this binary sister star. There are too many ancient texts that speak of the Red Dragon. The Egyptian Els all have certain stars depicted above there heads. Ra has a red sun above his. The serpent around it represents the elliptical orbit of Nemesis. Scientists also note that most stars have a twin, or even a third companion. The Sumerians were trying to warn us. And the Earth wouldn't exist if not for Nibiru. The word Gaia means "cleaved planet". The asteroid belt is the part of Earth that was ripped appart during the cosmic collision. Earth used to lie between Mars and Jupiter. They laughed at Sitchin, but he may laugh last.

a reply to: Oannes

Mate. I assure you all this is quite fascinating. But please stick to the topic at hand, which is more about arctic spring melt than it is about red dragons.

The presence of some distant and never seen planet cannot possibly induce important axial tilt acceleration on Earth for two reasons:

-Nibiru (and its claimed formidable gravitational attraction) has never been found,

-the Earth's axial tilt is normal (we can check it via the position of the stars).

Edit:

And by the way, "gaia" doesn't mean "cleaver planet"; it means "earth grandmother".

www.gaia.fi...

a reply to: swanne

Then I am sure you stumbled upon this:

www.bbc.com...

No I hadn't seen that. I am glad it is a thicker freeze than it was in 2013 that means there is a possibility for some to last till next freeze but if it doesn't then we will be hearing more of what your article said about the extent.

sea ice set a record this year for its lowest ever winter extent

I knew you would say something like that.

So bloody predictable. If I don't agree with AGW, it can only mean that I am a paid shill, right?

If I meant that you were a shill I would have been straight forward about it. I said I can't understand why people downplay unprecedented events without a vested interest.

For the record, I doubt AGW because after decades of being a believer, my observations showed inconsistency with global warming theory. I doubt AGW because the scientific method warns us against confusing theories for facts.

I didn't realize you were actively involved in investigating Climate Change. Maybe you can go into detail about your work.

I would also be interested in a source that the "scientific method warns us against confusing theories for facts". The scientific method I have always read about is a process of gathering evidence testing a hypothesis and communicating the results. If the hypothesis can be verified it then becomes a scientific Theory such as Climate Change which is comprised of a body of factual evidence and can be repeatedly confirmed and modified with new evidence.

In short this is the scientific method I am familiar with.

Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results

What is the one you are speaking of?

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: 3danimator2014

The climate is changing! Its been changing and will continue to change. The degree of human impact is unknown as records have only been kept in earnest for a short period of time. We a but a blip on the earth. So yes climates changing and yes an impact is occurring the degree of impact is unknown. But running around like chicken with its head cut off does absolutely nothing , nor does participating in rage science.

Sorry...whos running around like a chicken with their heads cut off? I agree thats pointless.

And by the way, we may be a blip in earths history, but we have shaped and changed it hugelty for the time we have been here. So, the fact that we are but a blip is totally moot.

a reply to: swanne

Scientists discuss the state of the Arctic and the Antarctic every season of the year. Both poles are rapidly changing. Should science ignore this to avoid being called spreaders of doom porn?

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: swanne

Scientists discuss the state of the Arctic and the Antarctic every season of the year. Both poles are rapidly changing. Should science ignore this to avoid being called spreaders of doom porn?

But..but....and small handful of scientists disagree with the majority over climate change! Its like going on who wants to be a millionaire, picking audience as a helpline and chosing the answer that 5% of the audience suggets

a reply to: swanne

Looks like your thread is under attack. Here is a little thread I made about cycles and support your thread
Have a 3d go at it

a reply to: 3danimator2014

3%

a reply to: Kali74

No but the results of this change is unclear and the degree of impact is as well. Even on a micro climate scale models such as the gfs which was just upgraded in December have a difficult time analysing the small ever changing details to come up with an accurate forecast. Taking such models on a global scale and predicting its results is a fools errand we are not there yet. That's not to say that the general trend is warming it is to say the results and impacts are an x factor. So absolutely we should continue to observe and record but making choices in haste almost always has a political agenda as its motivating. Your care about this world is honorable

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: 3danimator2014

Climate goes through cycles this is only a natural cycle overtime the ice will return and retract ect ect. But I guess, its fun being wide eyed alarmed and checking both sides of your computer chair.

You are right...the ice age happened and warmed itself up all alone...isn't that cause for huge alarm? I'm all ok about people studying it and I do believe humans have an impact to some extent but nature will do what it wants in the end. Now there is no denying that the planet is getting warmer regardless of the cause. There are places right now having huge problems from this already. It is alarming...its only not alarming if its not effecting you. So my point is we should being trying to prepare something because only a little bit of rise in the oceans due to ice melting, heat expansion, etc will cause lots of damage because so many live on the coast.

But I have a feeling its another thing we will dump off on our kids kids to deal with. If you study Geology you can see that when they first made observation in changes they only noticed the big game changing ones...they said this is what made the earth how it is...then they started looking at smaller processes like erosion, etc....and they said this is what shapes the earth...then they came back said nope....its these massive events that really shape the Earth...these massive events that happen so fast it changes large portions of the Earth.

Ocean currents are hugely influenced by temperature, salinity, wind, pressure, etc.....salinity man...if more fresh water is going into the ocean its going to change the currents. That is all there is. Is this a life ending dramatic event? Absolutely not. We as a species will be just fine. But this could dramatically change temperatures in many places rather quickly....not Day After Tomorrow quickly but fast enough that it would be a pain to move people out.

None of this is life ending or major doom porn....but the cost. The real reason I feel people (corporations/government) don't want to face this is it is going to be expensive as hell to prepare for this and relocate infrastructure and massive populations. As I know you are 11b as I am myself brother so you know about topography. Look at some of the topography in Florida near the cost...that should be where the US sees it first. By the time we are old men...provided we make it that far haha....I think we will look back and say "#...we should have taken this more seriously"....not that we can control the weather, but should have had something implemented for relief.