Now That It Is Spring... "Arctic Is Melting! "

I always wonder why the media cherry picks climate info.
If you were east of the Rockies the last 2 years in the US, it has been
MUCH cooler with snow and wet to the south.
Also the Antartic has the 2nd highest amount
of ice extent yet. Followed only by last years record. iceagenow.info... more baffled scientists who don't follow solar cycle history I guess?
it's about to get cold,real cold...www.washingtonpost.com...
Hey I guess we'll find out if there is anything to Hapgoods crustal
displacement theory as the poles are certainly at different masses.

a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

That is good news about the ice extent, now if someone can just figure out how to transport that sea ice to land to be stacked up it can reverse the net loss of Ice in the Antartic, but until then we are facing a rise in sea levels.

I do agree about media cherry-picking. Some will never mention that sea level is dependent on land ice.

I believe our actions will have a detrimental effect to our world, but this is just grasping at straws IMO.

All these articles that vomit doom porn detract from the real work that is being done and I imagine the real climatologists would be shaking their heads. It's a spring thaw-It will happen every year and will continue to do so for years to come.

But then again if I had a dollar every time a post mentions natural climate variation or an accuses climatologists of skewering the facts then I could've bought a studio apartment in Monaco. The issue of climate change has become too politicized for my liking.

I happen to agree with all four points. We have global warming. Wake up people. Were their points wrong? No they aren't. Deal with it.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

just do what i say and find out for Your self!
is Your education coming from US?
then no wonder You do not have basic knowledge...

originally posted by: swanne
Sure, there are glaciers melting all over the world. And there are glaciers growing all over the world, too.

Ooh, a claim - two, even.

Back it up with evidence.

a reply to: Greven
The Dunning-Kruger effect shines on threads like this.

Those who have done no real world research will read a few pieces from the heartland institute and fox news and confidently conclude that man made climate change is a hoax to raise taxes.

Those of us who have actually studied this are often ridiculed and accused of being chicken littles because there are legitimate concerns about man's role with the changing climate.

Wait til next winter and the deniers will be claiming every snowstorm is proof global warming is a hoax.

originally posted by: rockpaperhammock
Now there is no denying that the planet is getting warmer regardless of the cause.

I concur with a lot of your post, but I wanted to highlight this. There are a few camps of people who have beliefs on climate change and they get conflated.

On if it's happening at all:
The Coolers:
They believe the Earth is cooling/going to cool.

The Disbelievers:
They don't think the Earth is changing at all.

The Warmers:
They believe the Earth is warming/going to warm.

On causes:
The Cultists
They believe that supernatural forces guide Earth's climate.

The Skeptics:
They believe that natural causes are behind climate change.

The Humanists*:
They believe that man-made causes are driving climate change.

There is overlap between these broad categories:
A minority of people are Coolers, and most of these will also be Skeptics.
Disbelievers are a bigger group and tend to be Cultists.
Most people now are Warmers, and are mostly either Skeptics or Humanists.

The debate tends to be an alliance between Disbelievers and Warmer Skeptics against Warmer Humanists. Warmer Skeptics don't always recognize that Disbelievers believe something quite different from them, as they are allied against Warmer Humanists as a common foe.

*this is the closest I could think of to a broad term, as humanists believe in the agency - the ability to act in the world - of humans.

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: swanne
Sure, there are glaciers melting all over the world. And there are glaciers growing all over the world, too.

Ooh, a claim - two, even.

Back it up with evidence.

I found the evidence though it does not support an even steven effect:

Are glaciers growing or retreating?

a reply to: blargo
Thank you, but that particular chart doesn't really mean things are even. The blue represents growth in mass, while the red represents decline in mass. Here's what it looks like over time (from the same source for that chart):

Almost every year has recorded has shown a decline in glacial ice. Some are indeed gaining mass, but the overall mass balance has been declining.

The new data continues the global trend in strong ice loss over the past few decades and brings the cumulative average thickness loss of the reference glaciers since 1980 at 17.5 m w.e. (water equivalent)

a reply to: Greven
Sorry if it came across as I think it is even, I do not. Glaciers as a whole are shrinking. I forgot the word NOT. Really changes the meaning, lol.

Pssssstttt! The Antarctic is freezing. It kind of works that way. You know, the whole tilted Earth thing.

a reply to: Greven

The Manbearpig's : they believe if you don't believe in global warming al gores gonna kick yo ass.

originally posted by: swanne
Then I am sure you stumbled upon this:

www.bbc.com...

"The thinnest winter ice it has ever seen was in 2013. This February, in contrast, the Arctic floes were about 25cm (17%) thicker on average."

It was perhaps slightly thicker. However, this year, Arctic sea ice reached its lowest maximum extent on record:

On February 25, 2015 Arctic sea ice likely reached its maximum extent for the year, at 14.54 million square kilometers (5.61 million square miles). This year’s maximum ice extent was the lowest in the satellite record, with below-average ice conditions everywhere except in the Labrador Sea and Davis Strait. The maximum extent is 1.10 million square kilometers (425,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average of 15.64 million square kilometers (6.04 million square miles) and 130,000 square kilometers (50,200 square miles) below the previous lowest maximum that occurred in 2011.

It was possible that the sea ice could reach a maximum extent later, but it appears that Feb. 25th was the maximum extent:

After reaching its seasonal maximum on February 25, the beginning of the melt season was interrupted by late-season periods of ice growth, largely in the Bering Sea, Davis Strait and around Labrador. Near the end of March, extent rose to within about 83,000 square kilometers (32,000 square miles) of the February 25 value.

The monthly average Arctic sea ice extent for March was the lowest in the satellite record.

So, slightly thicker ice than thinnest (2013) but also slightly less extent than the previous record (2011).

I think too much perspective has been put on the information taken by the "scientists"
Let me put it into real perspective. If the whole existence of the Earth was to be equated to a 24 hour clock man would appear at approximately 4 seconds to midnight. Modern man, 1 second to midnight.
Climate records, .00000001 second of mans time on earth.
Get used to the fact that the Earth has ALWAYS been changing, before man and when man has gone extinct it will still be changing. Earth is a fully dynamic system with or without man.

a reply to: crayzeed

In that blink of an eye that man has been here, we have made great changes to this planet. There is no denying this reality.

Many changes in a short amount of time is quite significant.

a reply to: crayzeed

Indeed. life has been dying on this planet for 3,000,000,000 years. Modern humans have been dying for at least 200,000 years.

So why should anyone think a gun can kill anything?

It is obviously a lie!

a reply to: AndyMayhew
A gun can't kill a thing. But a man to pull the trigger can.
People still don't get it. WE are as nothing to the Earth. The Earth will just shrug us off and carry on its own way round the universe. Believe all the "information" you want but try this experiment. Go stand in the middle of San Francisco and smell the polution, then go and stand in the middle of the Arizona desert with no polution and the wild life running round your feet. Now let me tell you there is infinitely more Arizona deserts than San Franciscos.
In other words ,don't believe everything any one says to you, get out of your air conditioned houses and go and look for yourself and you'll find infinitely more stable environment than unstable. As some one mentioned earlier species have ALWAYS been going extinct and the ice sheets have fluctuated since time began.

a reply to: Oannes

Just wondering, is this "2nd Sun" coming from the direction of Alpha Draconis?

a reply to: 3danimator2014

They probably do need to know it, since their predictions always seem to come up short, maybe they could shift what they think is causing it and actually make ACCURATE predictions...lol

Jaden