Who wants to argue creation?

Selection bias. You ever go to call someone on your phone and as you reach for your phone, that person calls you? Wierd, huh? Except the countless other times that doesn't happen aren't memorable.

My pint glass doesn't line up with the size of the sun, along with countless other mundane things that aren't interesting coincidences. But we don't pay heed to them, only novelty. It is thus foolish to draw anything from such coincidences, especially the silly idea that they are proof of your personal god.

I don't really wish to argue, as I don't really find value in such....but I will happily offer my perspective.

I am a Scientific Creationist....in some veins known as one of "them no good Satanic Heathen Catholics".

The following is my perspective.

If we are made in the image of God, does it not stand to reason that some of us would embody his scientific side?

The very thought that an Eternal Creator is taking his time with the Universe makes me greatly pleased. I enjoy watching scientific advancements evolve over time, as well as the arts and other human expressions. Dinosaurs and cosmological timelines are absolutely fascinating and only serve to reinforce my respect for the Masters Hand.

We are all reflections of the Divine. Even those who don't share the same belief system I find joy in. It's saddening that so many have become blinded by our differences that they fuss and argue and fight over how that Divine Spark inherent within all Creation varies. Be it over religious practices, scientific methods or theory, or even to extremes as to what color pants we chose to wear for the day or whom we choose to love and how.

I suppose it's a side-effect Separation Anxiety or some latent misfortune borne of individualism. Things just haven't really been the same since the Big Bang, ya know? We were all One once.

Anyway, Science may explain the HOW while other disciplines seek to explain the WHY. There is balance. Even in the realm of mythologies and religions there is a beautiful aspect of allegory and storytelling seeking to find answers. Oh sure, it's not pure science, but even within religious institutions there is peer review and adjustments when the time is perceived to be right.

We haven't given up yet and I hope our curiosity is never stifled under the guise of any "religious dogma" that seeks to honor it's own misguided arrogance and ignorance at the expense of the Whole of Creation and eternal beauty of Human Evolution and beneficial technological advancement.

If the Great Creator didn't wish for us to explore the sciences, why would we be given the capacity to do such? Oh sure, some might blame Satan, but even he is limited by the rules set upon him by God. To deny that fact, as written, is pure folly and decidedly unscientific interpretation of the Bible.

So yeah. GO TEAM SCIENCE. Use it wisely, use it well.

I'll get off my soapbox now. Sorry about that.

You may now open fire at will should you feel so inclined.

a reply to: eisegesis

As this post will probably make me more unpopular, I don't really care. That is the way I see it.

If I'm the winner of some popularity poll that I'm unaware of darlin?
I'm sure it would only be in a negative light.

originally posted by: IpoopThere4IAM
" The great thing about science is, it's true, whether you believe it or not. "

- Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Not arguing creation here, but there is a flaw. Science has been proven wrong by later discoveries.
So science is not always true.... only as true as they know at that point in time.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Astrology (a form of divination) is forbidden in the Bible. I think he had in mind the way Satan would twist the understanding of people on this and use it to show people don't have to rely on God and his word, as well as to lead people down the darker path of the supernatural. There is a theory that the fallen angels gave inside information on astrology to humans and so I suspect there is something there that God didn't want us to know about for our own protection.

But the Bible also tells us to watch for signs, King James Bible
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring...

God told us to watch for signs in the Heavens so that we would be able to discern prophecy happening, and for end times.

And I see science, as far as we understand it at whatever point of history we're in confirming God's work.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: eisegesis

As this post will probably make me more unpopular, I don't really care. That is the way I see it.

If I'm the winner of some popularity poll that I'm unaware of darlin?
I'm sure it would only be in a negative light.

No and I hope you don't take it personal. It's about exposure and getting people to question/solidify their beliefs. While both our threads are taking jabs, I would hope SOLID EVIDENCE would prevail.

And again, I chose to keep the word "creationism" in it's original context. Too many people rushed in and claimed that I was bashing on all believers of any personal creation theory they may have held. Which was impossible for me to know beforehand, hence their manipulative ways.

My thread CLEARLY focused on the part of the Bible regarding "creation" according to Genesis and then showed where else in the Bible it stated Him ruling for a thousand generations.

A generation would have to equal 6 years in order for the young earth theory to hold up. Most can admit there is major room to breath in that estimation, but it does not disregard the contradiction. With every contradiction, I loose faith.

a reply to: eisegesis

Hey there eisegesis - I read your thread you refer to. It was good. I was also reading something along people prior to Adam and Eve that could fit. I will have to find it and will link it. Could be that BOTH of you are right, and still showing God's glory

I'll be back when I find it.

a reply to: peter vlar

So we "just happened" to be at the exact point in history where the moon perfectly covers the sun? Right at the point where we have the knowledge to begin to understand such things as orbital mechanics?
Sounds like another one of those strange coincidences.

originally posted by: GetHyped
Selection bias. You ever go to call someone on your phone and as you reach for your phone, that person calls you? Wierd, huh? Except the countless other times that doesn't happen aren't memorable.

My pint glass doesn't line up with the size of the sun, along with countless other mundane things that aren't interesting coincidences. But we don't pay heed to them, only novelty. It is thus foolish to draw anything from such coincidences, especially the silly idea that they are proof of your personal god.

It's foolish to imagine that 'gifts of the spirit'/siddhi, such as telepathy, have been debunked. There is a massive body of solid parapsychological evidence that has accumulated for decades, despite the lies and shenanigans of phony-baloney debunkers like James Randi.

About 90 scientists and academics have co-signed a letter published in Frontiers in Human Neuroscience, that calls for more mainstream support of parapsychology. The letter stresses six points:

1. Research on parapsychological phenomena (psi) is being carried out in various accredited universities and research centers throughout the world by academics in different disciplines trained in the scientific method (e.g., circa 80 Ph.D.s have been awarded in psi-related topics in the UK in recent years). This research has continued for over a century despite the taboo against investigating the topic, almost complete lack of funding, and professional and personal attacks. The Parapsychological Association has been an affiliate of the AAAS since 1969, and more than 20 Nobel prizewinners and many other eminent scientists have supported the study of psi or even conducted research themselves.

2. Despite a negative attitude by some editors and reviewers, results supporting the validity of psi phenomena continue to be published in peer-reviewed, academic journals in relevant fields, from psychology to neuroscience to physics.

3. Increased experimental controls have not eliminated or even decreased significant support for the existence of psi phenomena, as suggested by various recent meta-analyses.

4. These meta-analyses and other studies suggest that data supportive of psi phenomena cannot reasonably be accounted for by chance or by a “file drawer” effect. Indeed, contrary to most disciplines, parapsychology journals have for decades encouraged publication of null results and of papers critical of a psi explanation. A psi trial registry has been established to improve research practice.

5. The effect sizes reported in most meta-analyses are relatively small and the phenomena cannot be produced on demand, but this also characterizes various phenomena found in other disciplines that focus on complex human behavior and performance such as psychology and medicine.

6. Although more conclusive explanations for psi phenomena await further theoretical and research development, they do not prima facie violate known laws of nature given modern theories in physics that transcend classical restrictions of time and space, combined with growing evidence for quantum effects in biological systems.

You can view the full letter, and list of co-signers, here:

A CALL FOR AN OPEN, INFORMED STUDY OF ALL ASPECTS OF CONSCIOUSNESS

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a reply to: 3n19m470

You're certainly entitled to believe whatever strikes your fancy and you're more than welcome to refuse to engage in due diligence and look up facts for yourself if that likewise puts a smile on your face. None of it however dismisses the fact that the distance between the Earth and the Moon is growing by 3.8 cm every year and as a result the length of a day on earth is getting just ever so slightly longer as well. It also affects the tides on Earth. One mans coincidence is anothers facts.

a reply to: ccseagull

It interesting how the bible doesn't believe or tries to deviate from mysticism, but will always some how resort to such a thing, like visions of the future and such of its own.

If I remember, astrology supposedly said to give insight into the nature of oneself or ego, and is said or believed to have predicted events based on the alignment of astrological bodies at the moment of birth. Also it adorable how the Sun and the Moon are usually feared and revered in monotheism, as being worshiped as Gods again just like in more ancient days probably.

Maybe it the idea that God has no real form at all.

a reply to: CJCrawley

Did God intend just for the present generation to witness it?

The moon has been eclipsing the sun for a lot longer then
just the present generation.

a reply to: ccseagull

So astrology is forbidden but God says to watch for signs in the heavens for prophecy? That's astrology.

So with his left hand God says astrology is evil but with his right hand he uses it to show us prophecy being fulfilled?

Astronomy is closely related to astrology, in fact I'd say astrology is an offshoot of astronomy. Men have been using signs in heaven to correlate with their rituals for thousands of years and can even calculate exactly when a certain sign will happen again, even thousands of years in advance. The Mayan calendar is the perfect example of this.

What makes you think these "signs in heaven" aren't being used by those in power to deceive people into thinking prophecy was real? All they have to do is "look into the future" with astronomy and plan world events to correlate on those dates.

a reply to: ccseagull

I thought her thread was good also and creation being the subject
I think we can discuss that here. I in fact thought it was so good
I must admit to her, it did spark this one.

a reply to: randyvs

Nothing is coincedence. The moon, it's size and distance were put exactly there for a reason, to be the best source of moon cheese and spare ribs this side of gaseous giants. Plus the fact that we only see one side of the moon ever is not coincedence, it is merely the moon being self-conscious of it's pock marked bad side. Noone wants to see that, plus all those alien bases, it would ruin the night sky seeing cruisers constantly departing from the moon while being engulfed in sunshine in the night sky. It would leave zero mystery. I like mystery, so does a God, and so does science. No mystery, no reason to question, no reason to investigate, no kooky charachters who may exist or may not, unreliable and biased sources of information are meant to forever send humanity into confusion. Confusion = No fusion. We are meant to never be fused as a race, always dichotomous in all natures of belief and understanding. See past it and we are all the same just skewed in different directions on purpose, again no coincedence.

Whenever I see some one talking about science say " just theories", that is a sign that said person has no clue what the hell they are talking about.

a reply to: randyvs

I won't even need to go into the fact whereby so many eclipses and blood 
moons are occuring in these times on sacred Jewish festivals. 
Just more coincidence

While the creation itself is amazing, I don't think that is coincidence or creation. That is mans meddling in his own creation of time in which prophesies that can be self fulfilled with the foresight of astronomical events. They can and will be used to make people believe these events prove the book predicted such things. 

I think these end times and tribulations are to be experienced by the indevidual via personal revelations, The Christ is what is left when all past beliefs which were false are stripped away, and becomes a cornerstone for the new mind/concsuiousness, truth, life, way, and age to come.



These blood moons and eclipses were always going to happen way before any book was was written or any holy day was decided. Man has been creating his own eras and ages in his own evolution, cycles that are alien to the original creation. 

So what it means biblically "could" all be scripted to create a illusion of a natural fulfilment of something that was always predetermined by mans ability to foresee these astronomical events, and add a slight of hand in world events, media and/or science to bring about a truth or event that enough believers would believe to be the "end times"... Leaving them wide open to being manipulated into accepting a saviour.







I just don't trust our "program" of time, it puts us out of synch with the universe and in synch with another system and state that gives the illusion of it running concurrent with nature while really being asymmetrically parallel.

originally posted by: 3n19m470
a reply to: peter vlar

So we "just happened" to be at the exact point in history where the moon perfectly covers the sun? Right at the point where we have the knowledge to begin to understand such things as orbital mechanics?
Sounds like another one of those strange coincidences.

And yet the life of Jesus and his wonderous miracles missed the Digital Age - Strange indeed.

a reply to: randyvs

I don't know where you get the idea that science is a series of coincidences? Can you cite some references? Can you link to a paper that says that ratio of the sun to the Earth is a coincidence?

I think you might do well to research that idea again.