Who wants to argue creation?

Solar eclipse 3/20/2015
Watch the moon placed so perfectly in the heavens along with the
earth and sun and everything else to make this awesome sight, a
sign of Gods handiwork possible. Science being so scientific and
closed minded would rather use words like coincidence to explain
the gaps that science will never be able to explain. Science often
sounds like George Bush.



Science will tell you
It is only by Coincidence that Sun is fourhhundred times larger than
the moon and forhundred times farther from the Earth. This is why
they appear to be almost exactly the same size in the sky. Exact
enough for me to say they're exact, but science it seems loves to
spend time splitting hairs. But indeed Earth is the only planet in the
solar system and as far as we know the whole universe where this
occurs so perfectly. Pure COINCIDENCE that we are in the right place
that we can observe what was meant to be observed. Scripture tells
of Gods precision watchmaker handiwork and that it is certainly not
a coincidence.

Then God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; 15and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so.

I think i'll soon make a list of scientific coincidences, be
there such a thing, that when compiled together will dwarf
the idea that God is just to fantastic to be believed. And I won't
even need to go into the fact whereby so many eclipses and blood
moons are occuring in these times on sacred Jewish festivals.
Just more coincidence.

Let the closed minded scoffing begin.

I can't stand how science and religion is always out to lynch one another. Both sides are so pig headed and close minded that they can't see what's obvious.

Science and religion can complement one another.

Weirdly, the tip of my index finger can perfectly obscure the sun too.........omg....

Let the seventh trumpet blow. I am as ready as I'll ever be.

" The great thing about science is, it's true, whether you believe it or not. "

- Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Really? And you called me closed minded?

My intent was not to set off a chain of events. I focused on the Bible's creation theory and showed where there were contradictions.

People "claiming" to be religious attributed for 99% of all rude comments made in my thread. They also don't believe and outright dismiss any forms of scientific dating techniques.

Which I showed could also could be verified.

a reply to: randyvs

I'll play, later, which side of the pyramid would you prefer I argue the case on behalf of, a religious God, Intelligent Design or Science? You want a good debate right?

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: eisegesis

The only thing I really have against science is its
constant belief in coincidences. That add up to
a far more fantastic belief system then the Bible
uses to explain them.

A few thousand years ago the moon wasn't where it is today, a few thousand years from now it won't be either. We just so happen to live in a time where this phenomenon happens, it went be that way forever.

Isn't astrology forbidden in the bible? Using signs in the heavens for divination is against God's word. Be careful.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Sounds like fun which ever one Dave.

I'm not so closed minded that I don't listen and weigh.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Just couldn't stand it could ya?

a reply to: randyvs

What? I was just pointing out that astrology is forbidden. I was replying to the thread not you in particular. Feel free to ignore me.

originally posted by: EternalSolace
I can't stand how science and religion is always out to lynch one another. Both sides are so pig headed and close minded that they can't see what's obvious.

Science and religion can complement one another.

Yep.

I want to BONK their heads together. Bet it would make a hollow sound.

“The cultural wars and debates out there between what’s usually called science and religion are again, I think simplistic to the extreme. The religion side is often parodied as the kind of most literalistic and intolerant forms of fundamentalism and the scientific side is often parodied as the most materialistic and intolerant forms of scientism. So you have pure faith on one side and pure reason on the other and we’re supposed to believe, somehow, that these two things don’t meet in the middle. I find that completely unconvincing.” -Jeffrey Kripal

👣

I've wanted to know for some time why we shouldn't win a law suit to have the following label on the title page of every Bible sold and in every Bible in the churches:

"Be aware that Genesis is written by men at least one thousand six hundred years ago, at a time when only few people knew how to write and even fewer had any concept of science.
Science back then, among other things, supported the notion that the purpose of the testicles were related to voice. The lower they hang the deeper the voice.
Faith on the other hand need no proof and it is well known that only selected few can claim to Speak with God. Those not selected will be regarded simple minded and probably treated for mental illness, whereas those selected get to be celebrated and placed prominently in church hierarchy.
Also consider that nothing is provable in Genesis and the Christian church relies on it's followers to accept Genesis on faith rather than as peer reviewed fact."

a reply to: randyvs

This subject never seems to get old. As for me it's .........

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: eisegesis

The only thing I really have against science is its
constant belief in coincidences. That add up to
a far more fantastic belief system then the Bible
uses to explain them.

Well, I can agree there. Science is constantly trying to sell itself "incomplete". Some people forget that they're still just theories when discussing their viewpoint. The electric universe, quantum mechanics and dark matter "theories" are desperately trying to fill the voids in our scientific model. Some of those theories have turned out to be true, which again, leaves them incomplete.

Put it this way, I'm quite comfortable putting myself on an island and saying I have more faith in Science and it's methods than I do Religion. I absolutely respect the right for anyone to think for themselves, but in my opinion the Bible takes away from one's ability to do that effectively without prior convictions getting in the way observable, repeatable experiments.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: eisegesis

The only thing I really have against science is its
constant belief in coincidences. That add up to
a far more fantastic belief system then the Bible
uses to explain them.

Except for the fact that "science" isn't a person and doesn't believe anything at all. It is merely a tool for exploring the world around us and expanding our knowledge through learning. I'm sure there are some foolish individuals working in various scientific endeavors who make or have made statements of the sort you claim but in all honesty, I don't think the phenomena of arrogance and closed mindedness is the sole domain of people working in various scientific disciplines. I see it just as often from the devoutly religious and I firmly believe that while both groups may have rather loud voices, they are in fact a minority in their respective disciplines or faiths. As for the Sun/Moon correlation you have brought up, the distance/size ratio has not always been what we currently see in the night sky and it will not be so as well in the future as the moon is moving away from the Earth by 3.8 cm every year.

a reply to: randyvs

Re the Moon/Sun coincidence thingy.

The Moon is moving away from us ever so slowly (just under 4cm per year).

As it becomes more distant it also appears smaller so that, in God knows how many thousand years, it will have shrunk to a point that a total solar eclipse wont be possible. And future generations will no longer be able to witness this spectacle.

Did God intend just for the present generation to witness it?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
A few thousand years ago the moon wasn't where it is today, a few thousand years from now it won't be either. We just so happen to live in a time where this phenomenon happens, it went be that way forever.

Isn't astrology forbidden in the bible? Using signs in the heavens for divination is against God's word. Be careful.

Graven images are also forbidden.

You shall not make unto yourself any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

But of course, Christ on the crucifix and all the saints combined with all the pretty pictures aren't graven images.

a reply to: HolgerTheDane2

Job 31
26 if I have regarded the sun in its radiance or the moon moving in splendor, 27 so that my heart was secretly enticed and my hand offered them a kiss of homage, 28 then these also would be sins to be judged, for I would have been unfaithful to God on high.

Seems like being enticed by the moon and sun (solar eclipse) is being unfaithful to God.

And to your point:

Deuteronomy 4
16 So do not corrupt yourselves by making an idol in any form--whether of a man or a woman,

But Jesus isn't an idol in the form of man, he's God himself in the form of man. Totally different... somehow.

But that's for another thread.