Will Blacks and Other Minorities Become the New White's?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ChesterJohn

Without whites there wouldn't have been oppression in the first place, so you're statement seems a little backwards there.

Not true. There's been oppression in most societies throughout history for various reasons, many of which were discriminatory and ethnically or culturally racist.

There's more of a prevailing racism against darker skinned people (sub-saharan african) among Arab and Muslim societies in the Middle East and West Asia than there is in the USA. Did you know that? They are like second class citizens there. The Muslims cruelly enslaved the blacks wayyyy before the Medieval Europeans even considered sailing to the Americas. Read up on it if you disbelieve.

There were equal rights before whites started oppressing blacks so to give praise to whites because of the civil rights movement (which was fought and started by mostly blacks) is absurd.

This isn't true either. There were never equal rights in the this country since the formation. There were slaves here during the Revolutionary War that birthed our nation, forget about the Civil War. There were slaves in almost every state, some more than others, in the 1600s-1700's. Slave trading on the High Sea was not first coined by Americans, and the first slaves to be sold and/or taken here were done so before this country were even a nation.

After the Civil War, blacks were so far behind in so many ways, and they were also alienated by the predominantly white population thereafter. It got worse and worse until the Civil Rights movement. It _is_ absurd to give credit to the white majority for the Civil Rights movement. That was fought for by the black people, and has advanced them greatly since.

But equal rights prior to that? Never. You can go back thousands of years, and there still wasn't true equal rights anywhere. Some places much worse than others. Definitely not in the American colonies, and definitely not after the Civil War/prior to the Civil Rights movement.

No one man is better than another All are created equal

Definitely not true. The constitution was fanciful and poetic in its' liberal romanticism.
Some men *are* better than others, for various reasons which are instilled in those men via learning, memories, or genetics. Better in the sense of what it is considered to be "good" in this modern age to begin with. Encompassing certain traits, abilities, thoughts, and appearances that make them better than the average. That's how some people excel in this capitalist society of dog eat dog, brother vs brother behavior, by being better than others at certain things. This is also why some people never excel and fail miserably.

Were they at least created equal? Nay. We are all created differently, definitely not equal. The mere thought is #ing absurd if you really look at it in the 3rd person perspective. Some are born with defects, others not. Some are born with better brains, others with damaged brains, or no brains at all. Some have extra fingers, some don't have all their organs in their chest.

Moving past that, what about all men should be treated equally? Now we're onto something. On a basic, fundamental level, all men should be treated as if they were created equally and given the same privileges and rights. They should be seen as equals in the eyes of the law. No one should get preferential treatment because they're just "special" from birth.

If you were to put me beside a black man my age, clearly we would not be created equally. I'd look a certain way, so would he. I'd have certain interests, skills, and abilities that are seemingly inherent in me, so would he. He'd be better at certain things, so would I. In the eyes of the marketplace, the court, and the police, we should be thought of and treated as equals.

a reply to: r0xor

And no, if/when african americans become the majority (not only in population but in government and business most importantly), they will not have a "poor them" mentality toward white people. In my opinion, the deep rooted seeds of hate and resentment, and especially victimization and unfairness, would bloom fully.

It'd be a very dark, racist time for our nation, and things would be *much* more unfair than they are now. Certain people would get marginalized. There'd be hate crimes like you've never seen before, and no one would do a thing about it. White people would get randomly beaten up, robbed, held hostage, tortured, murdered, and raped exponentially more so than they do currently.

White people in America, at least the ones in wealth and power, have a sort-of guilt mentality for what their forefathers and other unrelated white people did to blacks in the past that they somehow represent now in the present. The slavery, the civil rights, the lynchings, the discrimination, it all weighs on their psyche ever so slightly, because they do get reminded from time to time whether they like it or not.

This is why even though alot of whites were against it, ultimately the black people were granted equal rights in the Civil Rights movement. But this was not to the credit of white people, but black people, or else it never would've happened.

Point is, black people would have no guilty conscience about the unfortunate events of the past, perpetrated by people dead and long gone, quite the opposite. They'd have an entitlement mentality if anything, and they'd also be extra inconsiderate of the white people, especially if they successfully marginalize the political and monetary power of the white people by becoming the majority in-power and otherwise. It would actually be quite scary for your average young white people in America, who would end up in a worse social situation than exists for young black people in America. In fact, it's almost better for black people already in the sense that all you have to do is focus on your studies or sports and you have a fair chance of going to college for free. I never finished my associates degree at the local community college due to financial reasons in the crash of 2008 (mostly whites affected), so not only do I not have a degree, I owe several thousand dollars to Obama for it.

Clearly I'm not racist, I'm very realistic and not afraid to speak the truth.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Now that, I agree with.

This is just one privileged, wealthy, young, popular African-American female's opinion on the matter:

Asked why she always brings up the topic, Banks retorted: "Because y’all motherf---ers still owe me reparations! [laughs] That’s why it’s still about race. Really, the generational effects of Jim Crow and poverty linger on. As long as I have my money, I’m getting the f--- out of here and I’m gonna leave y’all to your own devices."

[snip]

In fact, the Harlem-raised singer says she hates the United States of America — and a very specific group of its citizens. "I hate everything about this country," she railed. "Like, I hate fat white Americans. All the people who are crunched into the middle of America, the real fat and meat of America, are these racist conservative white people who live on their farms. Those little teenage girls who work at Kmart and have a racist grandma—that’s really America."

[snip]

"I get annoyed with the fact that I’m even asked to explain myself," she continued. "Why do I have to explain this to y’all? My little white fans will be like, “Why do you want reparations for work you didn’t do?” Well, you got handed down your grandfather’s estate and you got to keep your grandmother’s diamonds and pearls and s---."

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By the way, how is everyone's farms doing? Mine is pretty good, I haven't LOGGED ONTO FARMVILLE YET THOUGH. I've been too busy collecting aluminum cans to get a couple of extra bucks so I can treat my girlfriend who lives with me to a pack of beer.

Has anyone sold their inherited diamonds and pearls yet? I think my Mother hid them when she died, and I can't seem to find mine.

The only colour that matter these day is green, whether it money or nature.

White people have enslaved white people, black enslaved black people, where as ancient Roman would enslave all kinds of people.

Sure you got white mass shooters whose purpose is just to cause panic, but then you got blacks shooting each other over territory, when they don't know how to share.

Hitler enslaved his own people with his dogma, to a religious figure being traded over by his own friend to be executed by his own peoples will for silver.

Kayne west is rich, but he probably hasn't given a dime to his people.

originally posted by: Specimen

Hitler enslaved his own people with his dogma, to a religious figure being traded over by his own friend to be executed by his own peoples will for silver.

Nice points, and I agree, but .. are you saying Hitler indoctrinated the Germans via dogma involving Jesus Christ?

Yeah, he technically was a Christian, but by the time he was even beginning to reach power, can you honestly say that?

Then all of the "super-aryan" man BS, the experiments, the propaganda, the 'new religion'?
Looking around in Tibet by the SS, measuring people's skulls, for relevance to the swastika?
Oh yeah, and the thousand year reich.

I don't think he indoctrinated the people via Christ or Christianity; He indoctrinated the people through insecurity and racism.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Slavery: white people.

Segregation: white people.

Yeah, because those 2 things have never been perpetuated by any other race/color other than white people.

Your post should be awarded the dumbest post of the day.

a reply to: macman

I never said white people were the only ones to commit slavery or segregation, I was pointing out how the majority (whites) have done the same things as other ethnicities throughout history. The OP implies white people are morally superior, I was pointing out how that isn't even close to true.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
You act like black people aren't already tolerant and compassionate to other races. You say white people have been tolerant and compassionate throughout history but fail to realize white people have been the cause of most of history's suffering. I'm white btw.

This thread almost feels like thinly veiled racism.

Slavery: white people.

Wouldn't have been an issue if the African chieftains hadn't sold their own people, and I believe it was the Arabs who were the biggest customer. Oh and I believe there was even at least one black slave owner in America as well

Segregation: white people.

Probably would not have been an issue if not for the above.

Stalin: white.

Hitler: white.

So? What about Mao Zedong? Or Idi Amin, Charles Taylor, Jean-Bédel Bokassa and Robert Mugabe? Hell even Saddam with Kurds.

Extermination of the Indians: white people.

And yet they are still around, and the only ones allowed to own casinos lol

American presidents who have sent us into war over and over again: white.

Well with Obama that's not true anymore.

Tolerant and compassionate? Pshhhh... we're the most racist and genocidal bunch on the planet. Again, I'm white.

And I'm sure some part of you hates that you're white.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Eventually we will all blend into one homogenous looking population in this country and maybe then the obsession with race and all of the bickering will stop. It's all about what you wear on your carapace. On and on until we all look the same.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Bud....your statement is very clear.

Now, if you wish to expand upon it, do so.


And no...the majority of white people have not participated in such BS.

a reply to: IntroduceALittleIrony

I love white people, black people, Asian people, middle eastern people, all people. Like I've said numerous times already, I was only pointing out that white people aren't morally superior to any other race, we all have our issues and prejudices.

a reply to: macman

Bud... my statement was pertaining to the OP implying that white people have superior morals than other people. They don't. That's as far as it went, you're reading too much into what I said.

Take it how you want, just don't try to paint me as a racist against my own skin color. That's laughable in itself.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: IntroduceALittleIrony

I love white people, black people, Asian people, middle eastern people, all people. Like I've said numerous times already, I was only pointing out that white people aren't morally superior to any other race, we all have our issues and prejudices.

Well if that were true then every example you gave wouldn't have simply ended in just "White people." . I guess next time try to get your point across without sounding racist.

nope..... the white, European mostly majority was too easily homogenized into a group think state of work-living

the growing former minorities are going to bring with their particular sub-set group a whole raft of demands in lieu of reparations and their view of 'equal treatment' going forward

no---- the 'pay-your-dues-to-get-ahead' paradigm of social/business interactions is the stuff lying on the threshing room floor... with the ethnics in power, the community/nation will be thrown asunder then quartered...
the false promise of a American Dream (for some) has been exposed and then attacked like WTC towers 1 & 2 were...it is all crumbled to a miasma of dust and poisonous particulates that makes ones skin crawl.

Progressives>Socialists>the remnant of Nazis have won the contest
fashion you own cleft or shelter in the rocks...

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Progressive based white guilt. Maybe you should learn about it.

a reply to: macman

I don't feel any guilt for something I never did lol. I was just pointing out how white people are just as bad as any other race. No guilt here, just pointing out the obvious.

Did you miss my post about us all being human and sharing the planet together? Or was I excluding white people in that statement from your point of view?

originally posted by: IntroduceALittleIrony
Wouldn't have been an issue if the African chieftains hadn't sold their own people, and I believe it was the Arabs who were the biggest customer. Oh and I believe there was even at least one black slave owner in America as well

The ironic thing is, Arabs are ultimately Caucasoid in bone structure and facial appearance. They're technically considered causcasian. Isn't that funny? Lol.

Same thing really for any ethnic Jews from modern Israel, and possibly the ancient Jews. All the talk of "the Egyptians enslaved us first!" is kind of silly too.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: macman

I don't feel any guilt for something I never did lol. I was just pointing out how white people are just as bad as any other race. No guilt here, just pointing out the obvious.

Did you miss my post about us all being human and sharing the planet together? Or was I eluding wire people in that statement from your point of view?

Yeah, it's because Western civilization, all the way back to the Greeks, was basically a "white people" created idea and way of life by default. So with these political and monetary systems, it's inevitable for bad people to come to power and control things. Like Hitler and Stalin.

Mao Ze Dong is still considered a hero, so is Stalin, just not Hitler (usually). I guess it matters if you win or lose the most.

originally posted by: redhorse
a reply to: ChesterJohn

Eventually we will all blend into one homogenous looking population in this country and maybe then the obsession with race and all of the bickering will stop. It's all about what you wear on your carapace. On and on until we all look the same.

I am not so sure about that.

If it isn't about skin color, it will be something else that allows one person or group to feel better about themselves at the expense of another.

You do know that people with brown eyes are smarter than people with blue eyes, don't you? People with straight hair are more talented at drawing with Etch-A-Sketch, and those born with a star upon that's are just natural leaders.

It is all common knowledge, but some people are just haters and can't accept the truth, even when it is handed to them on their e-device.