San Francisco Catholic church installs watering system to drench homeless people as they sleep

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: xuenchen

So the statement of the church mean nothing?

Must be another obama psy op...

what statement of the church?

i'm not seeing a link.

a reply to: olaru12

It is amazing to me just how un-Christlike many of these so-called churches and religious organizations really are. It sadly reminds me of a recent death on the steps of a nearby homeless shelter as a young man died of exposure to the single digit temps because he wasn't allowed inside due to capacity issues. What is this world coming to?

I know not every Christian/Catholic is like this, but every cruel, bigoted, self-righteous, self-serving prick I've ever met has been Christian/Catholic...I would love to be able to get at the timers they use for their little system, and set them to go off right as people are entering/exiting mass. And maybe mix in a little bleach or something while I'm at it.

Not very nice..or christian, maybee they should lose the tax exempt status then they can tell the homeless to shuffle along. Tough situation to be in but at the end of the day what is the church supposed to represent?

a reply to: ketsuko

People say California is a welfare state, but having lived there most of my life and then moving to two red states I would have to strongly disagree, but somehow the myth is continuously perpetuated.

In California: A single childless person can not get any welfare bennifits.
Housing bennifits only if they are disabled. The wait list could be 5 years or more depending on the area. Even if you have children.

Help with utilities is virtually non existence and if you are able to obtain it, it is a one time only help.


Due to the cost of living a welfare check in California is significantly less than any other state.


My husband is from Virginia / North Carolina, he was amazed when he moved out to California. He will gladly tell you that Virginia is welfare state and makes California's welfare look non existent. It is very difficult to get on welfare in California.

It goes without saying, that irregardless of politics, or view-points of who should do what, that this is still not a practice becoming of the church, any church.

"And the King will say, "In truth I tell you, in so far as you neglected to do this to one of the least of these, you neglected to do it to me." Matthew 25:45

There are many... anecdotal stories, one liners one could use to suggest this is not how you treat people.

Today's Christian / Catholic church has long since, not resembled what I was taught as a youth. Today's church resembles that which we are told not to be, taught was not the way of Christ. The church, and Christians, were told we should lead by example, live as close to the teaching as we can. Do unto others, as we'd have them do unto us.

Now, it appears the church is soiled, by money and politics. It is more about gossip, and status, then about being true to what we should be.

I stopped going to "church" a long time ago, because the message is no longer proper. I stopped going when pastors started suggesting that as Christians, we shouldn't own guns, that the Lord will protect us. I quit going, because when I started working, and my pastor found out, he casually commented that "Good Christians tithe at least 20 percent of their income to the church".

When I was a kid, we were told to give gladly, but only what we could.

The church is no longer about God, at least the creator God, it is about the money god, and the other earth-based gods that corrupt mans heart.

This doesn't surprise me at all. I've said it before and I'll say it again, ALL Catholic's stink to high heaven. I've often heard that Catholicism is one of the four horsemen spirits, which also wouldn't surprise me either.

a reply to: Voyager1

Well according to the Bible, those attending Sunday Mass and seeing these homeless folk on the "lawn", should take them home and give them shelter and food. That's what the bible states and as so many religious folk are using the bible word for word then what's the problem.

If Christian's followed their own scripture then there were be no homeless issues in the states.

247 million Christians in the US
633,000 Homeless in the US
Equates to 390 Christians per 1 homeless person!

Good Christian morals at work.

Every time I hear of something like this, I thank the non existent God that I'm an atheist.

a reply to: olaru12

...and the Catholic church is wondering why there's a steady decline in Catholicism. Yup, drenching the homeless who are seeking shelter from the elements is very Christ like. I wouldn't be surprised if a homeless person happened to walk into Sunday mass, they would quickly be asked to leave and escorted out. The catholic church wouldn't want their pristine image tarnished. A poor disheveled homeless person can surely drive their faithful away from Sunday mass, and cause them to lose all those cash and tax free donations!

a reply to: xuenchen

Cathedral staff confirmed that the system had been in place for about a year, and that it was intended to discourage homeless people from seeking shelter in the church’s doorway. “We do the best we can, and supporting the dignity of each person,” Archdiocese spokesperson Chris Lyford said. “But there is only so much you can do.”

It is in the source article, you got something showing they did not confirm the system was in place and this is a lie?

Yes, I'd say that it's hypocritical. They could start a program for employing the homeless and getting them back on their feet and off the street. It would actually be more humane.
The homeless are lucky it's not boiling oil.

a reply to: Voyager1

No organisation or individual who claims a Christian ethic, can legitimise this sort of heartlessness.

Church bodies should consider it the grace of God that the buildings that they maintain provide comfort to the afflicted, rather than being a matter requiring the dousing of a destitute, desperate individual to move them off. This is an unquestionably un-Christian thing to do.

originally posted by: ketsuko
But this is Cali ... the land of the oh-so-compassionate progressives ... I guess they all voted for a welfare state so these people have no reason to be homeless. After all, every single one of the people in that church not only got taxed to within an inch of their life to pay for a large state welfare system, including Obamacare in all its phases (so their health care is FREE), but they also must surely tithe to the Catholic Church so there are Catholic Charities available for the homeless too.

So of course those homeless folks have plenty of places to go and state programs available to them.

/sarc

I was not aware catholiciam was the californian state religion?

Better warn my heratic freinds in sacremento before the inquisition starts.....

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ketsuko
It's Nancy Pelosi's constituency isn't it? I'm sure she'll get right onto it with "The Word."

I think she said that was her favorite part of the Bible.

It's amazing how you can turn almost any thread into partisan bickering.

It's amazing how many threads you start that are straight up religion bashing.

I think the church kinda brought it on themselfs in this case.......

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: olaru12

Well and so, if the compassionate blue state of California wasn't the home of this church, then I wouldn't feel the need to point out the equal hypocrisy of the failed welfare state which atheists seem to think does a better job than any church.

So high taxes and wellfare from the state is responsible for a private church abusing homeless people AND wasteing water in a drought?

a reply to: Sremmos80



still no link to the statement.

it must be fake.

a reply to: xuenchen

Seriously?
sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com...
www.patheos.com...

What more do you want?
This is 3 different sources confirming it, so can you please post something that refutes it, until then you are being willfully ignorant IMHO.

I have fulfilled my burden of proof, if you would like to fulfill yours it would be much appreciated.
Or keep playing the head in the sand card.