In Russia Employers are preparing for nuclear war

I would like to believe this is just another propaganda what the Russian government feeds to its own people. Then we also have the Putin document which was broadcasted in Russia week ago " Crimea the road to motherland"

Shows Putin´s preparedness to start a full blown nuclear war.

NATO jets intercept Russian warplanes as Putin ramps up deadly game of cat and mouse NATO war planes were scrambled to escort 11 Russian military aircraft in a late night Cold War style security drama over the Baltic Sea.

The Russian planes were flying with their transponders off close to EU countries Lithuania and Latvia at around 11.30pm, it was reported.

A spokesman for the Lithuanian defence ministry said: "NATO fighter-jets were scrambled to identify the aircraft.

"They identified two An-26 transport airplanes, one An-12 transport airplane and an additional group of eight aircraft including Su-27 and Su-34 fighter-jets.

"The Russian airplanes had their transponders switched off, had not provided flight plans, and refused to establish contact," said a report by the Baltic News Service.

Express< br /> Flying "dark" transponders off and not answering to air traffic control queries to identify themselves, jeopardizing the safety of commercial air traffic.. That is how Russia works. There are no rules for them.

the Putin Civil Defense mandate is completely opposite the Obamacare mandate designed to death-panel the masses and create many other stress obstacles as it ravages the economy by intention

Putin's C D mandate is not about Nukes or war with Progressive States of Amerika... it is a quite vanguard being implemented for the anticipated onslaught of gas and germ attacks by the Jihadists... it seems that Putin had a major insight/ Epiphany while in quiet discussions in St Petersberg

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Cobaltic1978

I'm in bad shape. I work far enough out from a city center that I might just survive any initial blast. It seems there is a nuke with the city my husband works in a takes my son to daycare in though. I think they'll get off nice and toasty. I might have to suffer.

Let us hope that isn't the case, I know I would not like to live in a post Nuclear War World.

I agree with Rocker, Putin is ramping up the propaganda and is attempting to persuade the people that the west are threatening war. Which n a sense we are by getting involved in the Ukraine, whether overtly or covertly.

In the 60's, when Cuba agreed to host Russian Missiles, the U.S took the world to the brink of WWIII. They made the Russians back down, because the threat was real. I would expect the same attitude from the Russians over Ukraine.

If the U.S are not prepared to back down though, then it's going to escalate quickly.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

The only problem I have with the Ukraine situation is that there is a real agreement where we got the Ukrainians to hand over their nuclear deterrent in exchange for an agreement that we (the West) would defend them.

What are we supposed to do about that? Russia is pushing against that agreement, and while there are ethnic Russians in Ukraine who would like to be Russian, no one thought Germany had the right to annex countries to protect the ethnic Germans who lived in those places. And what about the ethnic Ukrainians who were abused terribly by Russia in the past and don't want anything to do with Russia now? Do we just abandon them after forcing them to agree to give up their best defense?

The way I see it, this has no right answer, no good answer to it. And if we had strong leadership anywhere in the Western world, we wouldn't be in this position. We'd be on our side; Russia would be on theirs. And the Ukraine would be stuck in the middle ... maybe truly tearing itself apart. But at least it would be a real civil war and not some fake mess like we have now.

originally posted by: Rocker2013


Basically, it suits Putin to make his people terrified of a nuclear enemy about to attack them at any moment. He's recreating the cold war to increase his hold on power.

He doesn't to create fear, there are at least two nuclear capable and stealthy B-2's sitting in Europe, courtesy of Obam--Booooo!

a reply to: ketsuko

There are some problems with your story.

- It was the US who broke the Budapest Memorandum by making a coup first and by so going again the "political independence of the Ukraine," see here

- The Ukrainians were not that much abused, see here

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

So the famine was a lie?

a reply to: ketsuko

The country was fractured by the previous administration, it was leaning primarily to the Russians and its leader was no less a gangster than Putin. Corruption was rife, the E.U got scared about its investments in the Ukraine and financially backed a campaign to rid the Government and replace it with one more pro E.U. In that way any future investments would profit nicely, but the Russians could see what was happening and the first thing they done was to annex the Crimea. They must have guessed that Russia would likely behave in this fashion, yet they still went ahead with the coup.

Did the West really believe that the Russians would just go along with their plans? Of course not, but I can't see what we have to gain, unless there is something so secret at the heart of what is going on, they have to do this to keep it hidden?

That's a long shot I know, but the behaviour from both sides is a pre cursor to war. Two nuclear powers going toe to toe, it's why Nukes were invented, they have to be used at some stage.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

So the famine was a lie?

That was really long ago under Stalin, he died in `53.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

That's a long shot I know, but the behaviour from both sides is a pre cursor to war. Two nuclear powers going toe to toe, it's why Nukes were invented, they have to be used at some stage.

Unless.... they are actually meant as a deterrent to a threatening alien species? Land here and we ruin it for everybody sorta thing.

a reply to: IvanAstikov

I must admit, I have never considered the possibility of that.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Too outlandish? Seems unlikely here on ATS.

If there is an all-out nuclear war I doubt I would want to survive. I am too cantankerous and grumpy to be part of the rebuilding process.

a reply to: dollukka

i read the whole article and it only refers to st. petersburg and also says its a law that was passed in 1998

xperts remind that the procedure adopted by the accumulation of personal protective equipment installed in 1998 and approved by the federal law on the basis of its rules.

maybe the headline was to grab readers? but i cant find a single mention of war in the article.

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

So the famine was a lie?

That was really long ago under Stalin, he died in `53.

Yes, but people from that time are still alive and that kind of history tends to not be forgotten very easily.

The Civil Rights Era and Jim Crow were a long time ago, too, and we are still re-living them here in the States every day.

I could also point out that we refuse to let go of the Holocaust and other genocides which the Ukrainian famine was.

a reply to: ketsuko

Being born in `33 when it happened means they are 67, being aware makes them 77.

Besides, I`m not holding Germans of today responsible for Hitler...too much time has gone past to play that card anymore...unless of course you need desperately an argument for a certain stance, then you could use it.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

That doesn't mean anything. The people who actually lived through the Civil Rights era or Jim Crow in the US are all getting extremely old too, but that doesn't stop the entire country from acting like it was just last year.

Stuff like that is tough to let go of and echoes past just the ones who lived through it. The US still hasn't lived through slavery or the Westward expansion and it's negative aspects. Why do you think this would be different?

a reply to: megabogie

The purpose of Minister of Emergency Situations signed Vladimir Puchkov order which shall take effect from today - the protection of the population in the event of a chemical or radioactive contamination.

1998 Vladimir Puchkov was working in department of civil defense but not as a Minister. He has been Minister of civil defense since 2012.

a reply to: ketsuko

Well in that case, Ukraine should also not become part of the EU, because there are people who have lived through `40/`45 and were part of one big Europe with Germany as leader.

Could pertain to the threat of terrorists setting off dirty bombs. Maybe the Russian intelligence knows there are radical Islamists working towards that goal seriously. Russia has had lots of trouble with radical Islamists just look over at Chechnya.