Pole Shift - Is Magnetic North in Siberia?

I think Magnetic North could be somewhere in Siberia. It's possibly near where the Tunguska Event happened in 1908 or in Taymyrsky Dolgano-Nenetsky District, Krasnoyarsk Krai, Russia.

European Space Agency: Magnetic north wandering south toward Siberia



Why is Magnetic North so different from the South when you compare the locations of the true poles?

www.shiftoftheage.com...

Here is a 3 year old video showing the weather of possible Magnetic North. Skip to 3:38
1/11/2012 — North pole shifts towards Siberia — warmer latitudes have shifted NW

Just like the video you can check the weather in Siberia on these interactive weather maps.
earth.nullschool.net.../wind/
www.wunderground.com...

Relevant ATS Treads
Pole Shift Data You Shouldn't Ignore
The Magnetic North Pole can move up to 80kms A DAY

Post your thoughts!

Could the magnetic pole be used a natural power source?

For example, we know various ancient cultures were well versed in various esoteric ideas and strange celestial mechanics, so if they were to build something requiring a large power source and could predict or even cause a pole shift would that provide enough power?

a reply to: Thorneblood

If the shifts would happen fast enough (lets talk about 50/60 shifts per second), all you need would be an iron rod lying on the ice at the magnetic north pole to produce a current by induction.

Otherwise, you could whirl that iron rod over your head, as you are standing at the magnetic north pole, that would induce a current, too.

But in reality the effects of a wandering pole are too minuscle as the moving speed is just too slow. And the magnetic field isn't very strong, either.

originally posted by: ManFromEurope

But in reality the effects of a wandering pole are too minuscle as the moving speed is just too slow.

The Magnetic North Pole can move up to 80kms A DAY

originally posted by: gmoneystunt

originally posted by: ManFromEurope

But in reality the effects of a wandering pole are too minuscle as the moving speed is just too slow.

The Magnetic North Pole can move up to 80kms A DAY

From your source (which is another ATS-Thread, I looked at the linked national geographic article here) it's "New research shows the pole moving at rapid clip—25 miles (40 kilometers) a year."

a reply to: ManFromEurope

In the linked ATS-Thread the first paragraph reads,

The magnetic north pole moves around all the time, up to and over 80 kilometres in a day, now that is a lot, especially compared to the 40 kilometres a year it is reported to be travelling.

The link from national geographic was in 2005. Earths magnetic shift has been increasing every year if you check previous patterns or with the first picture in this thread. That is why I had links to the weather patterns. To show the discrepancy.

originally posted by: gmoneystunt
a reply to: ManFromEurope

In the linked ATS-Thread the first paragraph reads,

The magnetic north pole moves around all the time, up to and over 80 kilometres in a day, now that is a lot, especially compared to the 40 kilometres a year it is reported to be travelling.

The link from national geographic was in 2005. Earths magnetic shift has been increasing every year if you check previous patterns or with the first picture in this thread. That is why I had links to the weather patterns. To show the discrepancy.

No, the magnetic north pole still wanders at about 40 km per year. This is determined right now by ESA's SWARM-satellites. This is from 2015.

Where did you get your numbers from? 3 of the 4 linked articles are 404'ed now.

Okay, in my linked article there is a passage about "jumps about 80km per day" - this does not imply that the pole per se wanders EVERY day in a SPECIFIC direction. It is more a problem about the fuzzy definition of the "entry point" of the magnetic lines of flux into the earth's crust.

You see, the whole "pole"-thing is not so easy and simple if you extrapolate from a simple permanent magnet you are holding in your hand to a huge geomagnetic phenomenon.

Therefore, yes, there may be an error rate of about 80km/day, but that does not imply that that would be a specific movement of the pole.

We could argue all day about things like "the diameter of the pole", or the projected magnetic field strength.

But I can clearly show that the magnetic north pole is not in siberia, nor will it be there in the not-so-distant future. Any likenesses to weather phenomena are most likey (as an engineer, I will never postulate any real-world-scenarios...) not connected with each other.

It's an interesting topic for discussion, for sure. I'll be interested in what the raw data says from satellite measurements and whatnot.

But as for the video below, there have been two consecutive winters, at least in my area of the country (Northern Kentucky/Southern Ohio) where record cold days and even months have been set in the past two winters. As with everything, you can't take a couple of years' worth of weather and make a claim based on that. Still, an interesting topic. Thanks for posting.

originally posted by: gmoneystunt
Here is a 3 year old video showing the weather of possible Magnetic North. Skip to 3:38

1/11/2012 — North pole shifts towards Siberia — warmer latitudes have shifted NW

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
We could argue all day about things like "the diameter of the pole", or the projected magnetic field strength.

But I can clearly show that the magnetic north pole is not in siberia, nor will it be there in the not-so-distant future. Any likenesses to weather phenomena are most likey (as an engineer, I will never postulate any real-world-scenarios...) not connected with each other.

Yeah it is debatable that is the point of the thread. There is no reason for the consecutive multiple posts your presented above. I am glad do not see any discrepancies here. Please move along now

It seems like the information we are allowed to see mostly ends in 2010. I have been trying to find updates for a while and do not see anything past 2012. It is like the governments who are tracking it aren't letting out any new changes. They even went back and modified their research to buffer the increasing rate of movement. I guess they do not want us to panic.

Something is up and they are covering things up, but the reason for the coverup is what I am interested in. I would like to know the location of the North pole, nobody seems to be outright lying, they are shifting our focus and letting us deceive ourself into thinking something other than the truth.

Does any of your information actually say exactly where it is today? I looked through some of it but did not see anything.

I see Manfromeurope had a link to things. Of course, it is from Europe where they don't restrict as much info as here in the USA.

originally posted by: Thorneblood
Could the magnetic pole be used a natural power source?

For example, we know various ancient cultures were well versed in various esoteric ideas and strange celestial mechanics, so if they were to build something requiring a large power source and could predict or even cause a pole shift would that provide enough power?

Kind of off topic. Try creating a new thread on that topic instead of posting it here.

originally posted by: rickymouse
It seems like the information we are allowed to see mostly ends in 2010. I have been trying to find updates for a while and do not see anything past 2012. It is like the governments who are tracking it aren't letting out any new changes. They even went back and modified their research to buffer the increasing rate of movement. I guess they do not want us to panic.

Something is up and they are covering things up, but the reason for the coverup is what I am interested in. I would like to know the location of the North pole, nobody seems to be outright lying, they are shifting our focus and letting us deceive ourself into thinking something other than the truth.

Does any of your information actually say exactly where it is today? I looked through some of it but did not see anything.

I see Manfromeurope had a link to things. Of course, it is from Europe where they don't restrict as much info as here in the USA.

I do not have any information on where it is today. I have seen forecasts of where they assume it is today but they are not accounting for the apparent acceleration. I also wonder if the earthquake in Japan (2011) had any effect on where the position of magnetic poles are now.

a reply to: gmoneystunt

This link provides good info..

wdc.kugi.kyoto-u.ac.jp...

I see you've linked to my old thread which a lot of links don't seem to work any more.

Last time I checked, and confirmed by the above link the magnetic north pole is moving back quite close to geographic north pole.

a reply to: Chadwickus

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: gmoneystunt

This link provides good info..

wdc.kugi.kyoto-u.ac.jp...

I see you've linked to my old thread which a lot of links don't seem to work any more.

Last time I checked, and confirmed by the above link the magnetic north pole is moving back quite close to geographic north pole.

Thanks for the link

I checked the link you provided, it appears that magnetic north is still heading towards the direction of Siberia from the image at the top of the page.

So, I kept looking up more information on this topic

12.29.03
scientist Larry Newitt of the Geological Survey of Canada

The pole kept going during the 20th century, north at an average speed of 10 km per year, lately accelerating "to 40 km per year," says Newitt. At this rate it will exit North America and reach Siberia in a few decades. Keeping track of the north magnetic pole is Newitt's job. "We usually go out and check its location once every few years," he says. "We'll have to make more trips now that it is moving so quickly."

www.nasa.gov...
www.webcitation.org...

July 08, 2014
The scientists who conducted the study are still unsure why the magnetic field is weakening, but one likely reason is that Earth's magnetic poles are getting ready to flip, said Rune Floberghagen, the ESA's Swarm mission manager. In fact, the data suggest magnetic north is moving toward Siberia.

www.livescience.com...

19 June 2014
The latest measurements also confirm the movement of magnetic North towards Siberia.

www.esa.int...

Here's an interesting article entitled 'Tunguska – Connected to Global Warming?'

The following sequence of figures shows the change of the magnetic field intensity over the last 200 years [swdcwww.kugi.kyoto-u.ac.jp...], along with the North Magnetic Pole (NMP) movement map [gsc.nrcan.gc.ca...]. Around 1900 the NMP reversed direction and started accelerating north towards the Arctic. This coincides with an increase in the magnetic field intensity in northern Siberia, and the subsequent development of two north magnetic intensities. In 1800 there was a single north magnetic intensity over northern Canada; by early 1900s the Siberian intensity was growing; by 2000 the Siberian intensity was the stronger of the two. The location of the center of the Siberian magnetic flux intensity is the same location as the Tunguska event.

The following figures show the magnetic field intensity (left) and the magnetic meridians (right) in 2000 [gsc.nrcan.gc.ca...]. The magnetic field is asymmetrical – with two field maxima: one over the northwest shore of Hudson Bay in Canada, and one over the Central Siberian Plateau. The convergences of the magnetic meridians indicate the approximate path followed by the moving NMP. The NMP is marked by the magenta star just entering the Arctic Ocean area north of the Canadian archipelago as it heads along the line of magnetic meridian convergence towards Siberia.

appinsys.com...

originally posted by: rickymouse

Does any of your information actually say exactly where it is today? I looked through some of it but did not see anything.

maps.ngdc.noaa.gov...

In the above NOAA link check all the boxes on the left including 'Modeled Historical Track of Poles 1590 - 2020' and 'Observed Pole Locations' and then click on the 'Arctic' tab on the right. Notice that when you move your cursor over the map the GPS coordinates are shown at the bottom of the page to where your cursor is.