Myanmar warplane bombs Chinese village. China has deployed troops along the border.

There's been a steady build up of Chinese troops and weapons along that border in the last couple weeks. Doubt this was planned and will likely cause a much bigger response.

Well that was dumb.....

Bye bye Myanmar

originally posted by: TheLotLizard
Were there any reasons why the bombing took place?

Hmm another theater starting up in Asia? Throw in a crisis in Morocco and we have a real SHTF scenario.

Not really.

Myanmar is about as third world as you can get.

And if they attacked China first there is no reason anyone should come to there aid.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TheLotLizard
Were there any reasons why the bombing took place?

Hmm another theater starting up in Asia? Throw in a crisis in Morocco and we have a real SHTF scenario.

Not really.

Myanmar is about as third world as you can get.

And if they attacked China first there is no reason anyone should come to there aid.

I know right, I doubt anything but more posturing will come of it.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord
China's had skirmishes with Vietnam recently (who started buying Japanese weapons in return) and they did have a war with India decades ago...but definitely of late it would take a fool to deliberately provoke China

a reply to: TechniXcality

C'mon man, they are both dudes over 40.

China did not know they would be bombing Chinese territory nor did Myanmar most likely. The fact is most of China's border is disputed and knowing where the borders are is not easy. We have these crossings of course, Chinese troops crossing India's border several times and of course China clashing with Vietnam and the Philippines at sea.

What can China do about it? Not much. While a retaliatory air strike might occure even that is unlikely as India or others could use it as precedent on how to react the next time China crosses its border.

And Myanmar fields half a million men in a land that is so undeveloped that armor other vehicles would be useless. Myanmar also has defense agreements with India. Add to the fact that Myanmar is a part of ASEAN. ASEAN consists of Brunei. Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam. China has had clashes now with 3 members. Also of note 3 ASEAN members are US allies and another and 2 others UK allies. Vietnam and the Philippines have signed defense agreements with Japan and Japan of course is part of the US/Japan/India Trilateral So China making a move on Myanmar is no easy feat.

China's problem is that have picked on everybody in the region and unified them against them. Same problem as Russia. And China has companies and members of its own military arming and funding the rebels. It does not condone it nor does it do anything about it as it sees the rebels as a buffer. Why a buffer? Because between just India, Myanmar and Vietnam China is vastly out numbered. If ASEAN/Japan/ANZUS/Taiwan join in, it is a bad bad day to be China.

a reply to: MrSpad

Surely those defense treaties would be invalidated as Myanmar attacked first?

I certainly would not want the UK to send one iota of support to Myanmar as they were the ones who struck first even if by accident.

I would hate to think my country or the USA would sign a treaty that forces us to support a country that attacked first.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: MrSpad

Surely those defense treaties would be invalidated as Myanmar attacked first?

I certainly would not want the UK to send one iota of support to Myanmar as they were the ones who struck first even if by accident.

I would hate to think my country or the USA would sign a treaty that forces us to support a country that attacked first.

Maynmar is just hitting Chinese backed rebels. Back when Turkey used to launch raids into Iraq or Israel into Syria.Lebanon to hit rebels they would always have been defended if counter attacked. It is kind of an off the record rule, if you have rebels operating or being supported from your land, you can expect a raid or two. Now China could clamp down on those rebels to avoid any future problems but, I would guess they find a buffer zone between them and Myanmar worth a tiny air raid on occasion. Just as China has started clashes at sea with Japan, The Phillipines, and Vietnam and keeps crossing the Indian border has not lead to a greater conflcit niether will this.

originally posted by: MrSpad Because between just India, Myanmar and Vietnam China is vastly out numbered. If ASEAN/Japan/ANZUS/Taiwan join in, it is a bad bad day to be China.

Was following along until that last bit you posted.

China outnumbered? That is a joke right?
India has a lot of people but none of them are going to be invading China. They pose a vast force for defense of India.
China could easily mass troops where this is happening and never be outnumbered.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: MrSpad Because between just India, Myanmar and Vietnam China is vastly out numbered. If ASEAN/Japan/ANZUS/Taiwan join in, it is a bad bad day to be China.

Was following along until that last bit you posted.

China outnumbered? That is a joke right?
India has a lot of people but none of them are going to be invading China. They pose a vast force for defense of India.
China could easily mass troops where this is happening and never be outnumbered.

China has a active force of 2.2 million with another million in reserve. India has and active force of 1.3 million with another 2.2 milion in reserve. Vietnam has an active force of half a million with 5 million in reserve and Myanmar with half a million men as well. And China does not have the ability to move forces at any real spead. In exercise in the North only 15 of a 140 tanks were able to complete a deployment of a couple hunded miles do to break downs. Now nobody is going to invade China but, China is not going to be able to move on any of them either. And in the one place vital to China, the sea, China would not be able to do much beyond patrol its coast. And losing its trade routes at sea would be the end of China's tade and oil supply.

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: MrSpad Because between just India, Myanmar and Vietnam China is vastly out numbered. If ASEAN/Japan/ANZUS/Taiwan join in, it is a bad bad day to be China.

Was following along until that last bit you posted.

China outnumbered? That is a joke right?
India has a lot of people but none of them are going to be invading China. They pose a vast force for defense of India.
China could easily mass troops where this is happening and never be outnumbered.

China has a active force of 2.2 million with another million in reserve. India has and active force of 1.3 million with another 2.2 milion in reserve. Vietnam has an active force of half a million with 5 million in reserve and Myanmar with half a million men as well. And China does not have the ability to move forces at any real spead. In exercise in the North only 15 of a 140 tanks were able to complete a deployment of a couple hunded miles do to break downs. Now nobody is going to invade China but, China is not going to be able to move on any of them either. And in the one place vital to China, the sea, China would not be able to do much beyond patrol its coast. And losing its trade routes at sea would be the end of China's tade and oil supply.

As was pointed out, Myanmar is useless for armor so what about just troops with artillery massing inside China's own border? Don't see why they wouldn't be able to out mass anyone there. China had no problem massing troops during the Korean War. Also 3 million is nothing compared to the billions they could draw on.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: MrSpad Because between just India, Myanmar and Vietnam China is vastly out numbered. If ASEAN/Japan/ANZUS/Taiwan join in, it is a bad bad day to be China.

Was following along until that last bit you posted.

China outnumbered? That is a joke right?
India has a lot of people but none of them are going to be invading China. They pose a vast force for defense of India.
China could easily mass troops where this is happening and never be outnumbered.

China has a active force of 2.2 million with another million in reserve. India has and active force of 1.3 million with another 2.2 milion in reserve. Vietnam has an active force of half a million with 5 million in reserve and Myanmar with half a million men as well. And China does not have the ability to move forces at any real spead. In exercise in the North only 15 of a 140 tanks were able to complete a deployment of a couple hunded miles do to break downs. Now nobody is going to invade China but, China is not going to be able to move on any of them either. And in the one place vital to China, the sea, China would not be able to do much beyond patrol its coast. And losing its trade routes at sea would be the end of China's tade and oil supply.

As was pointed out, Myanmar is useless for armor so what about just troops with artillery massing inside China's own border? Don't see why they wouldn't be able to out mass anyone there. China had no problem massing troops during the Korean War. Also 3 million is nothing compared to the billions they could draw on.

Things since the Korean War have changed greatly. China could mass its best forces to move into Noth Korea because China had powerful allies if the war expanded. The USSR and the Warsaw Pact along with Pakistan along with a couple dozen other communist states across the World. India a close friend of Russia was full of internal problems. The Pacfic states were weak, Japan unarmed, the Phillipines and other Asian states with no military to speak of. China did not have to worry about an attack on the mainland because the only person that could it was the US and if they did they would find a cold war turned hot globaly.

Today moving to invade Myamar would mean China could only use a certain numbers of forces because China has no real allies. And nations like Russia and North Korea that might consider helping China have superior forces already on their boders so could do nothing to help. Pakistan is rife with internal problems and would be of little help even if it chose China of the US. Add to that that moving on Myamar could bring almost every nation in Asia against China, China would have to deploy heavinly to coasts, to the Indian and Vietnemese borders and also in the east where insurgents would jump at the chance to break free. As for China's large population, they would have to be armed and trained and by the time that happened China would be cut off oil.

China's military is simply not up to snuff. To give it credit it has been trying to cut the size of it forces to create smaller, better trained, better equiped more mobile units like the West. That however is very expensive. And for the most part China has hostiles powers or failing states on its borders. So China is kind of half changing.

A Chinese invasion of Myamar would be slow slogging affair with hard to secure rear areas. That it could also bring in half the planet agaist it makes it a silly idea. An invasion of Myamar would go a lot like when China invaded Vietnam. A costly mess with nothing to gain.

originally posted by: MrSpad
China did not know they would be bombing Chinese territory nor did Myanmar most likely. The fact is most of China's border is disputed and knowing where the borders are is not easy. We have these crossings of course, Chinese troops crossing India's border several times and of course China clashing with Vietnam and the Philippines at sea.

What can China do about it? Not much. While a retaliatory air strike might occure even that is unlikely as India or others could use it as precedent on how to react the next time China crosses its border.

And Myanmar fields half a million men in a land that is so undeveloped that armor other vehicles would be useless. Myanmar also has defense agreements with India. Add to the fact that Myanmar is a part of ASEAN. ASEAN consists of Brunei. Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam. China has had clashes now with 3 members. Also of note 3 ASEAN members are US allies and another and 2 others UK allies. Vietnam and the Philippines have signed defense agreements with Japan and Japan of course is part of the US/Japan/India Trilateral So China making a move on Myanmar is no easy feat.

China's problem is that have picked on everybody in the region and unified them against them. Same problem as Russia. And China has companies and members of its own military arming and funding the rebels. It does not condone it nor does it do anything about it as it sees the rebels as a buffer. Why a buffer? Because between just India, Myanmar and Vietnam China is vastly out numbered. If ASEAN/Japan/ANZUS/Taiwan join in, it is a bad bad day to be China.

I wonder if the Chinese will retaliate? Considering they were attacked rather than contacted. In any event this is very interesting current event news.