Obama vetoes Keystone XL pipeline bill

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Indigo5

If you had read the other posts, others was well. The pipeline is to be used both for tar sands and mixed with N.D. crude.

That does raise an interesting question though-which I don't know the answer to- Being 'mixed' U.S. and Canadian Crude, which way does the export restriction get applied??

Once it is REFINED there is no restriction. They will refine it in the US (mostly TX Refineries on the Gulf Coast) before export. The export ban only applies to US CRUDE (Unrefined oil).

a reply to: roth1

What are you talking about? They're setting up a Tar Sands Pipeline to Prince Rupert for direct export to Asia. I believe it's called 'Northern Gateway'?

Of course they have their detractors as well....

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: zazzafrazz

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: zazzafrazz

Good question, at a guess, the refineries down south need the crude. the products from those refineries are intended for south consumption...at least until the laws restricting exports are changed....

Well looking at a map...the pipeline would run to the Gulf of Mexico affording easy shipping East. I believe that is the intent.

east where?

Well looking at this map of oil shipping routes...Europe/UK?...the pipeline runs from tar sands to Texas/Gulf of Mexico and Oil tankers are already running from those refineries to Europe.
ckrhmt2008.weebly.com...

but Europe is north 😉 and I need clarity on if this is for export or not. I thought it was not.

a reply to: Indigo5

OK, thanks. That clarifies things a bit.

originally posted by: xuenchen

Straight Talking: Exports

Dispelling inaccurate and misleading claims about exports

It’s important for us to address inaccurate and misleading claims that continue to be made regarding the Keystone XL Pipeline and false information on exports, including the export of crude oil and the export of refined products from the United States.

Keystone XL Pipeline will NOT export crude oil


(Uhh.you forget to mention refined products, like you di in the last sentence?)

You’ve probably seen or heard claims that Keystone XL will export crude oil to China or other far-off lands. This isn’t true and here’s why.

Straight Talking: Exports

That BS Rocks!
(A) You linked to Keystone XL's website...not so subtle
(B) I love how they specify that they won't export CRUDE OIL!
True..they will refine in it Texas before they export it.

Notice the play in words..

Straight Talking: Exports

Dispelling inaccurate and misleading claims about exports

It’s important for us to address inaccurate and misleading claims that continue to be made regarding the Keystone XL Pipeline and false information on exports, including the export of crude oil and the export of refined products from the United States.

Keystone XL Pipeline will NOT export crude oil


(Uhh.you forget to mention refined products, like you did in the last sentence?)

You’ve probably seen or heard claims that Keystone XL will export crude oil to China or other far-off lands. This isn’t true and here’s why.

KEYSTONE XL SITEStraight Talking: Exports

Aw come on it's only a few thousand jobs and 5 BILLION a year in taxes Not a big deal when your losing TRILLIONS!!

They fought this pipeline. Or it would be filling ships there with less cost for a pipeline from Canada to Texas to export it.a reply to: nwtrucker

a reply to: roth1

Some fought it, yes. I live on the Canadian border and often travel there. Not unlike the XL Pipeline here. My understanding is they're meeting some pretty severe restrictions before going ahead with the project.

From my understanding, it's still a 'go'.

a reply to: roth1

My understanding is Alberta is being hit hard with the oil surplus. They've budgeted based on $100 per barrel of oil revenue to the Province and have their pants caught down.

I assume they need every export potential developed soonest.

I believe the Canadian dollar is below 80 cents U.S. and is projected to stay in that range into next year...

Well, at least as Americans we can all be proud that this action is proof that our constitutional democratic republic is functioning as designed.

The President elected by the People (at a higher percentage than this Congress was) nullified a proposed law put forth that was in his judgment detrimental to the People.

Executive check on the power of the Legislative.

Working as intended.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Well, at least as Americans we can all be proud that this action is proof that our constitutional democratic republic is functioning as designed.

The President elected by the People (at a higher percentage than this Congress was) nullified a proposed law put forth that was in his judgment detrimental to the People.

Executive check on the power of the Legislative.

Working as intended.

To be specific, he vetoed the law because it was an attempt at circumventing the permit process required for projects crossing borders. Those projects are not approved via legislation. The protocol has always been to apply for permitting with the State Department to determine if it is in the best interest of the country.

Let's take a look at just one example of 2015's record thus far with Pipeline's..

Glendive Montana drinking Benzene...For those not in the know, Benzene causes cancer, not a theory - a known, established, fact..a big cause of specifically Acute Myloid Leukemia, which killed my father-in-law two years ago...and an inordinate number of his neighbors who had grown up in the same small town that had their aquifer polluted with Benzene 20 years earlier also died of Leukemia...all of them 15-30 years after exposure. The doctors in that small town have become Leukemia specialists in the past decade. Hell, when my father-in-law was taken to the Mayo-clinic cancer ward hundreds of miles away, he was on the same floor with child-hood friends from that same very small town...considering that they all had AML Acute Myloid Lukemia, known to be caused by Benzene and otherwise a very rare disease (1 in something like 11 Million) it wasn't mysterious that it was the water they drank when they were younger..none of them are alive now.

Below is just one very recent example...those that drank the Benzene will not know the consequences for maybe a 10-20 years, making it easy for the Oil companies to deny culpability.

On January 19 2015, oil from a broken pipeline seeped into the Yellowstone River, and contaminated the water supply 10 miles south of Glendive, Montana. The release was from Bridger Pipeline LLC's 12-inch Poplar line, which can carry 42,000 barrels a day of crude from the Bakken formation and runs from Canada south to Baker, Montana.


this is just this year...

Longer list here..
en.wikipedia.org...

IARC classifies benzene as “carcinogenic to humans,” based on sufficient evidence that benzene causes acute myeloid leukemia (AML). IARC also notes that benzene exposure has been linked with acute lymphocytic leukemia (ALL), chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL), multiple myeloma, and non-Hodgkin lymphoma.

www.cancer.org...

Here is a tar sands leak...2010