Why do so many whistle blowers eventually begin to rant nutty stuff?

a reply to: stirling

I think there really isn't terribly much going on in shadows though... Enough dark crap goes on right out in the open if you actually look at effects of policies, wars, follow money etc, people don't even have to dig. We may not see each and every game piece but the end game is usually fairly obvious. So here's this woman (I haven't read anything about her or what she claims but I'll guess) naming names and deeds, inserting ideologies, and preying on emotions. Perhaps her story is fading away, so now she inserts some woo (illuminati, free masons, NWO, lizards maybe) and drums up more customers. Some people just can't accept the reality that a lot in the world is wrong and it's up to ourselves to fix it... it's a good market.

Notwithstanding the opportunists.....we are looking at some impressive collection of mad people....
Karen Hudes has an impressive history as a lawyer for the world bank....she comes out with some damning testimony...well and good...
But wiythin a short period shes off and away...spouting some heavy far out accusations....and plans to save the worlds economies...claims of vast funds.....etc available to the people...
The Leo Wanta story....just died...
which one is nuts?
Is Leos story truer?

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: stirling
It's all the fault of the cuttlefish.

I'll have the tapioca pudding!!

With or without....












. custard?

If you cant add anything but bull # why not take off...custard my arse:

originally posted by: stirling
If you cant add anything but bull # why not take off...custard my arse:

Sorry, that was my fault, I made a South Park reference.

originally posted by: stirling
If you cant add anything but bull # why not take off...custard my arse:

How perverse.

No thankyou.

Well how about staying on topic a bit better ?

a reply to: stirling

By whistle blowers, do we mean your Snowden types, who actually blew the whistle on a real issue, who opened up the guts of something the public never gets to see or know, and let's them hear all about it?

I doubt anything that man comes out with will be crazy from here on in. No crazier than the truth at any rate!

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
The truth is stranger than fiction...

And let's consider reptilian overlords and the soul catchers on the moon and all the other bizarre theories as fiction...

Now, just imagine how much stranger the truth actually is.

The truth also some times turns out to be more dull than imagined.

The problem is the general disdain the public at large will have for you once you go against the system. You essentially live as an outcast, and while people will admit "yeah I know" or *wink wink* and *nudge nudge* your efforts, when it comes down to it, most people are worried about their own position in society.

Going against the grain jeopardizes you, your family, your career, etc, etc.

So I think just living like that has a pretty negative effect on people's psyche. The whole people agreeing with you but trying to discredit you publicly or officially, along with being "out of the loop" which will happen to every whistleblower as soon as they begin.

This leaves them with really no where to go, or anyone to turn to. There are disinfo agents, (on record) who make an effort to scoop up these people and feed them larger BS stories which discredits any and everything they said which may have had some truth to it.

Once they are known for dishing dirt, the few options at a career or staying relevant in any way leads them down the path of being a huckster, charlatan / mouthpiece, making up pure wish wash or buying into every BS story they can find at a last ditch effort for attention.

In my opinion anyway.

a reply to: stirling

I know, I know, bat # crazy is the likeliest answer but enough of these people have kind of gone off the deep end by now that its getting a little uncanny.....

Is it really the likeliest answer that people who would risk everything to publicize secret crimes do so because they are mentally ill?

I see no basis for that assertion.

I know that the pressure brought to bear on these people by the people with something to lose can be very stressful and make people believe their time on this Earth is running out. It seems plausible that they would feel the rising urgency and start getting progressively assertive.

If they rant about being watched and followed, it's very believable to me especially if the USG is involved. All cases are different, but if money and power are threatened they defend vigorously.

a reply to: stirling

Is it possible that in some cases, these people were actually bat # crazy, and somehow were able to maintain themselves in the public spotlight? Using Ted Gunderson as an example. He has what appear to be impressive credentials, but when you look into SOME of his claims, they become laughable, while others seem to be more believable. But either way, this guy was in a significant position of power, yet when looked at from an outside perspective, appears to have some mental illness issues.

a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

I think they are pushing it to far, I'v seen aliens before the most that's happened to me is my computers getting blue screened memory dump and shutting off but not restarting and that was a while ago. if im being monitored it's at a distance and i rant about this stuff a lot lol. I think it's just people being paranoid. This coming from someone who says and believes he's seen aliens.

Yup no one parked outside my window and no one hiding in the bushes with a radar gun. lol.

a reply to: stirling
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Most of us like to think we have a good grip on reality. We live by the "wysiwyg" philosophy. What you see is what you get. But what if you saw and/or experienced something that totally upset your perception of reality. The Matrix? Ascension? Technology that can't possibly exist? How would you go about telling humanity? Provided you had the chance to do so.

I'm not saying any of these people are telling the truth. In fact, I don't believe any of them. Yet I am willing to entertain all of them, because I think it is arrogant to believe we won't have our perception of reality challenged, or turned upside down, at some point in the future of our species existence. And there's a good possibility it will be our own sciences that present that challenge to all we have ever held as truth.

a reply to: stirling

maybe these whistle-blowers look at it like the public is an old man and the information is a very hot bath. they have to ease the public in with the more easily digestible and relate-able information. leaving the more far-fetched and harder to believe truths for last.

it's very plausible that the truth could very well sound "crazy" but, just because that truth is "out there" doesn't make it any less of a possibility. i'm sure that when people first heard about the concept of bacteria or atomic structure that it sounded "bat-#e crazy" when it really was the truth.

though the government is surely capable of exacerbating someones already paranoid condition. a very effective way of getting any and all claims dismissed by the public would be to have that person labeled as "crazy" by the public. thereby nullifying their potentially true statements.

a reply to: stirling

Thanks for starting this discussion. This is a topic I've also thought alot about.

If you can accept that we have a global shadow government run by the Elitists, certain topics (or information related to such) is always off-limits. When whistleblowers (generally insiders with genuine charges and proof), or just ordinary citizens that stumble on information the Elitists consider off-limits, one of multiple "pivots" are launched by TPTB immediately:

1) Quickest and easiest, they attack the individual personally. The theory being that if you can discredit the individual, the public will naturally pay no attention to the information they are disclosing.

2) Friends and relatives are "advised" and start in on the individual, to create doubt and hesitancy, until the individual himself doubts the information he disclosed. ("Maybe Uncle Wobbly is right. That missing three million might just have misplaced in his neice's account by accident. So I should stop talking about it ...")

3) Subtle threats start. You keep answering the phone just to hear a FAX line. Your computer is hacked and nothing seems to work right. You may hear footsteps in your attic late at night, or your tap water suddenly tastes strange. Coincidence? Probably not.

If the whistleblower is determined to use the media to protect them, and they become something of a celebrity, the money starts rolling in for speeches and endorsements.

4) TPTB will go along with this, and even encourage the whistleblower to make all the money he wants (and correspondingly, run up debt). There may be introductions encouraged to other "already bought" celebrities in the same field.

5) Once the whistleblower has run out of original "disclosure" material, he may lean on the "already bought" celebrities he's associated with to give/sell him (dubious) material - or he starts making it up just to lure in the folks with money.

6) Over his head in debt, with dubious friends giving him all the wrong advice, the whistleblower has completed his conversion to "toadie" for TPTB. To keep his celebrity profile and money-making ability, TPTB start requiring him to jump through their hoops. Such as publicly discrediting other, genuine whistleblowers, loud and long.

If a whistleblower can manage to maneuver thru all this untarnished, TPTB play their last deadly card:

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a reply to: MKMoniker

I personally think there is almost never a conspiracy against these so-called whistleblowers.

They are already slightly "batty" and have issues making a normal living around regular people doing mundane things.

They gain attention as others have said for "disclosing", and it gives them a feeling of an ego-high almost. Definite streak of attention whorism.

THEN, they disclose everything, and all of a sudden, they feel special. Groups of people are filling auditoriums to listen to them; paying money! Certain interviewers start offering money to interview them or to have them on their radio show.

Eventually they build a life around the finances they are gaining from this lifestyle, and run out of "doom porn" or "new age porn" ideas to make money off of, so they come up with new diabolical conspiracy plots that become more and more far-fetched. Just like a fiction writer, and the most level-headed ones end up launching their book-writing career by doing all this conspiracy disclosure.

Captivate the audience with an idea, through curiosity or downright fear of impending doom.
Make it initially believable, well thought out, with every detail and base covered. Use the mental illness to an advantage; make money off of it. Gain attention off of it. Make a career out of it. Live off of it, eat off of it, buy nice new things off of it. Make new friends and lovers off of it, they're attracted to you/it.

Then, run out of ideas and material, go into financial decline which worsens the mental illness already affecting you, and start coming up with bull# to sell to keep yourself afloat.

Not every single whistleblower is like this (see Edward Snowden). All of the jokers on youtube and conspiracy sites? 99% bunk, unfortunately. It's a really fun activity though to listen to these guys tell their wild, sometimes believably creepy stories. Lots of people enjoy doing it and will pay money for it.

They're so good at it, and captivate so many minds with it, that people get downright upset and will argue the truth and existence of some of the conspiracies and weird stuff these whistleblower types come up with. When someone like me comes along and says what I just did, they can get offended and lash out against, usually by trying to belittle you and your intelligence over the "glaring reality" and truth of the whistleblower.

They have cult followings, its how they make their money and live their lives.

a reply to: r0xor

I agree with a chunk of what you said - as I wrote in my previous post. Some people may start out announcing what they consider a genuine conspiracy, and get wrapped up in the celebrity - and then manipulated by TPTB.

But most "conspiracists" are quite sane and stable, and just want answers to genuine, convoluted mysteries. (Only now is the truth coming out that 9/11 was indeed a conspiracy financed by Saudi Arabia.)

21stcenturywire.com...
STUDY: CONSPIRACY THEORISTS ARE SANE - GOVERNMENT DUPES ARE CRAZY AND HOSTILE

Which actually makes a lot of sense. Psychological studies have shown that once someone declares a belief in something, they feel "compelled" to strengthen that belief. Some just read or blog. Others (like me) spend a lot of time researching; and if the belief/conspiracy falls apart during the research, then you shrug and walk away. (But the research is never wasted, and may play into a mystery or conspiracy later on.) It's a lot of work, sorting thru piles of material and looking for a logical-thread, as well as an "internal consistency."

Funny how you rushed to except Snowden, who had overpaid, golden (if short) careers at the CIA and NSA. He's obviously some rich and powerful man's boy-toy - or he never would have gotten out of Hong Kong alive. (Not sure what his and his sugar-daddy's end game is, with Snowden stuck in Moscow, but I guess we'll eventually find out.)

a reply to: stirling
Human beings are so different from each other – no two see AnyThing exactly the same.
But, to progress, we must agree on some general description/structure of the world.
This is how religions grow/develop – it is how our educational systems work/evolve – and, how our minds apparently function.
As noted by Klassified, when someone sees or experiences anything that falls outside these “accepted definitions –or– norms” – their apple cart, for all practical purposes, is toppled.
It works perfectly for those whose power, wealth &/or influences are tied to the status quo…as the whistle-blower is in a state of confusion while their view of the world is in disarray…and, they will often, immediately, start seeking other similar stories…and, too often, the other similar stories they find include what we are calling “nutty stuff”.
IMO – none of us (not one) are entirely sane.