Would a space-faring civilization have some sort of space police force similar to the Jedi?

originally posted by: Eunuchorn
a reply to: zazzafrazz

isnt exactly a new idea.

Did I say it was?

I think we are given things like star wars to look at in awe which are most probably based on real secret technologies, from death star to light sabers its all really real and really close.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz

originally posted by: infinityorder

Now that is an idea worth entertaining, I would love Larry Niven or greg bear or timothy zahn to write a story about that.

I hope they don't, 'cause I already am

Plz I'm me the name so I can buy it when you are finished.

I live for good SciFi.

I have read it all, the star wars books, almost all the Larry novel books( rung world is an amazing place BTW) Greg bear thistledown series...what were they called? Like aeon epic and eternity I believe...jarts...who ever would have thought...and " the way".. Just brilliant overall.

a reply to: infinityorder

lol I think you are asking to hear when its done….Sure thing, but it likely will take forever and will go nowhere! The writing journey is what counts I suppose.

originally posted by: Ex_MislTech
a reply to: starwarsisreal

A highly advanced civilizations police would likely be nanobots inside
the citizens minds, much like the current bunch of nut jobs plans
for us here on earth.

With the right MK Ultra techniques everyone would enforce the
1984 like series of laws, and everyone would basically be meat bots
like the borg on star trek, and that is also the goal for earth til we
can be replaced by total robots/androids which the globalists
see as better serfs for their Neo-feudalism future.

This is not theory or conspiracy, its alluded to in the writings
of the population control nut jobs who want 6.7 billion dead.

Its not a conspiracy if they confess to it.

Its not a conspiracy if they carve it in stone.

Its not a conspiracy if they stand in an auditorium give the
speech and Homeland security shows up to question them about it.

If they get what they want the future will look a lot like
the Solarians in Asimovs foundation series.

Now that is some scary stuff right there.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: infinityorder

lol I think you are asking to hear when its done….Sure thing, but it likely will take forever and will go nowhere! The writing journey is what counts I suppose.

Bs, me getting to read great SciFi is what counts...if the journey is fulfilling for you even better.

a reply to: starwarsisreal
I would say withing there perspective group in there particular space and time, if they had such a concept then?... Yes. Outside of it... No.

The universe basically takes care of things sort of how mother nature takes care of things. Space is both infinite and nonlocality in both space and time it only exists to the observer at that particuler moment in time. Think of all the things places and people you would want to see or meet but would never because of an almost infinite amount of nonlocal points and countless things which would it require them to lets just say not only attract eachother but be on the same vibration in a almost infinite number of ways.

Basically you could live your whole life next to some things and never know they existed. Now imagine that spread over and impossible large and infinite area and points. It is basically a infinite improbability. Like I said the universe works like nature works. Things come, things go...That is all. No need for police, because on a higher scope outside your world and confined space in time and space, you, everybody else, this whole world, even the whole of the universe. Well it simply does not matter.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: starwarsisreal
I would say withing there perspective group in there particular space and time, if they had such a concept then?... Yes. Outside of it... No.

The universe basically takes care of things sort of how mother nature takes care of things. Space is both infinite and nonlocality in both space and time it only exists to the observer at that particuler moment in time. Think of all the things places and people you would want to see or meet but would never because of an almost infinite amount of nonlocal points and countless things which would it require them to lets just say not only attract eachother but be on the same vibration in a almost infinite number of ways.

Basically you could live your whole life next to some things and never know they existed. Now imagine that spread over and impossible large and infinite area and points. It is basically a infinite improbability. Like I said the universe works like nature works. Things come, things go...That is all. No need for police, because on a higher scope outside your world and confined space in time and space, you, everybody else, this whole world, even the whole of the universe. Well it simply does not matter.

If you think on the scale of an actual god...yes you make a valid point.

But on our scale, the evidence says the police are indeed needed, hence them being real in all societies and cultures.

So for god like folks I agree police maybe not needed, for us mere mortals though, they are absolutely needed, and would exist...in one form or another.

a reply to: Ex_MislTech

see, the thing is: the Borgs revolt and become individuals and in 1984 the main character revolts... What does that tell you? The common sense will always be stronger in smarter people, so if you enhance someone and then don't live up to their expectations they sure as hell will turn against you...

a reply to: infinityorder
Yes that is what I said. You know group, place, time and space, its all nonlocality.

But even in that its pretty much nature that takes care of things. The police are just there to enforce the status quoe and to make you all fell all cozy and save and stuff....Or it depends. Its all nonlocality.

a reply to: Peeple

Actually, the Borg was introduced to the concept of individuality & their society subsequently collapsed. There was nothing to revolt against, they just stopped being able to function as a group.

a reply to: Eunuchorn

That's not true. I don't know if it was in a movie or part of the series, but they rescued this little Borg-guy, Picard gets actually his ass kicked because he let him go away, and he started his own trade of "Borginism". And maybe they were fewer, but they survived and were also free-er.

a reply to: JadeStar

It'll be cool if your certainties are realised in the distant future.

On the other hand, can we really rule out pride, spite and ego as significant drivers of social evolution? These are factors that are taken seriously in Evolutionary game theory.. They offer reasons and scenarios why irrational actors make decisions that aren't predicated on the need for resources.

In your Utopian, post-Scarcity future will the populations cease being attracted to the sexual partners of others? Will entities be above feeling jealous of those who are better-looking? And will those blessed with good looks and superior intellects defer from poking fun at those who are less intelligent or downright ugly?

These types of social interactions aren't entirely dictated by a need for resources. Each example has been a factor in violence, murder and petty theft.

As long as any complex society includes pride, spite and envy, they'll have crimes.

a reply to: Peeple

We're both sort of right.

"Hugh's new found sense of individuality proved to be almost as deadly to the Collective as any file stored in his memory could be. His experiences on board the Enterprise-D were spread to other drones, and eventually Hugh's cube fell into a complete state of disarray. The Borg's sense of shared identity had been disrupted, and they were no longer able to function. The Collective disconnected Hugh's ship from the hive mind and left the cube drifting in space until 2370 when it was discovered by Lore, Data's brother. Lore took advantage of the confused drones..."

Star Trek Memory Alpha Wiki

If Hugh had been able to interface with the hive mind, the entire Borg species would have become dysfunctional.

a reply to: Eunuchorn

not to freak you out: it's a cautionary tale, come and join the hive mind.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Eunuchorn

not to freak you out: it's a cautionary tale, come and join the hive mind.

If my world view was suddenly thrust onto every other human, our species would assuredly cease to function

a reply to: Eunuchorn

But the stronger the emitting poles are the more efficent is the created spark. Do you want to live in a world full of tree-hugers?

a reply to: Peeple

I want to live in a world without human nature.

To quote Kandinsky:
As long as any complex society includes pride, spite and envy, they'll have crimes.

Are these solely human traits or traits of all living things?

a reply to: Eunuchorn

uhm, mhm, maybe that's one of the byproducts of intellect... But there is a german saying:
The more i observe other humans the more i prefer my dog...

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: JadeStar

It'll be cool if your certainties are realised in the distant future.

On the other hand, can we really rule out pride, spite and ego as significant drivers of social evolution? These are factors that are taken seriously in Evolutionary game theory.. They offer reasons and scenarios why irrational actors make decisions that aren't predicated on the need for resources.

In your Utopian, post-Scarcity future will the populations cease being attracted to the sexual partners of others? Will entities be above feeling jealous of those who are better-looking? And will those blessed with good looks and superior intellects defer from poking fun at those who are less intelligent or downright ugly?

These types of social interactions aren't entirely dictated by a need for resources. Each example has been a factor in violence, murder and petty theft.

As long as any complex society includes pride, spite and envy, they'll have crimes.

In any society understood by us, anyone with more...be it good looks attention influence etc...

Will always breed envy.

Only a hive existence could overcome this, where all are absolutely equal, in all aspects.

But then who are the heroes? Who are the "wise" who are the innovators?

I do not think such a society is even possible by human standards of existence.

Even the perfect socialism of an ant colony doesn't have absolute equality.

It is a myth this could be achieved without a hive mind controlling all.

This is why I fond peaceful aliens to be so absurd.

Great post, very well thought out, very insightful!!