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originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: ArMaP
ArMap
I apologise because at the end of the day - although I know your story is likely not true - you most probably believe that it is!
But here is a cold hard fact - you have a disease - I didn't give it to you - smoking used to be thought to be the cause of asthma but now know that it is not. Cigarette smoke may be a trigger for you but so can hundreds of other things. Cigarette Smoke doesn't even make it into the top 5. Cockroad poop is number 1 trigger, followed by mould, fungus and pollen.
But at the end of the day - you can't avoid things that trigger your asthma. And indeed - the treatment for asthma and allergies is to deliberately expose you to your trigger in very small quantities to help your immune system stop overreacting.
Many many astham sufferers find that smoking a cigarette is just as effective in stopping an asthma attack as puffer.
However at that the end of the day - you have a disease, and you can't reasonably expect me to live as though I have the same disease. I don't have the disease and I have no reason to avoid cigarette smoke.
Tired of Control Freaks
originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
And my response to you is the say that you wanted to tell a story that "it could be about health". Your story is unbelievable! Plain and simple
And yes - you are frightened. Asthma is such a terrible and frightening disease that people who suffer from asthma frequently suffer psychogenic attacks. Psychogenic means that you have attack just because you are afraid that you might have an attack.
You saw a smoker that was 32 feet away.
All the literature and research that is available shows that cigarette smoke cannot be detected at that distance.
And it is more likely that you had an attack because you saw a smoker.
originally posted by: anonentity
What a laugh back in the day not so long ago if you had asthma the doctor would tell you to start smoking as it stopped the attacks.
originally posted by: WarminIndy
I have asthma and I smoke. But my asthma isn't psychogenic because it is always triggered by very cold air. I have always been that way.
originally posted by: ArMaP
originally posted by: anonentity
Have any non smokers had a good look at the unbiased reports on smoking and health. The conclusions that I drew were that moderate smoking was in fact good for your health, immoderate smoking was bad. But isn't that, like everything else?
I didn't look at any of those reports because I know that's true.
The final conclusion that I came to, was that the main cause of Disease was the consumption of triglycerides from animal products. The main cause of these is Dairy products, or again the immoderate consumption, of what once was considered treats, but now has at least 50% of the average diet. If your loaded with these anything else, smoking included, will do you in. Cut these out and everything will start to work properly again. You might as well have a diet of rats milk, because it was designed for rats just as cows milk is designed for cows.
I read some time ago that some people (mostly those with an ascendancy from areas where there is a large production of dairy products) are much less affected by dairy products.
One thing I think we should always remember is that each one of us is a specific case, we should not consider what is a solution for a person as an universal solution that will work the same way for all people and a personal problem an universal problem.
originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
ArMap
I apologise because at the end of the day - although I know your story is likely not true - you most probably believe that it is!
But here is a cold hard fact - you have a disease - I didn't give it to you - smoking used to be thought to be the cause of asthma but now know that it is not.
Cigarette smoke may be a trigger for you but so can hundreds of other things. Cigarette Smoke doesn't even make it into the top 5. Cockroad poop is number 1 trigger, followed by mould, fungus and pollen.
But at the end of the day - you can't avoid things that trigger your asthma. And indeed - the treatment for asthma and allergies is to deliberately expose you to your trigger in very small quantities to help your immune system stop overreacting.
Many many astham sufferers find that smoking a cigarette is just as effective in stopping an asthma attack as puffer.
However at that the end of the day - you have a disease, and you can't reasonably expect me to live as though I have the same disease.
I don't have the disease and I have no reason to avoid cigarette smoke.
originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: ArMaP
How is it you are able to post the word window and it shows up in your comment window?
Wait, what is going on here? Did you guys fix the window text problem or is it only on certain threads?
originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
On another note:
If the government were to pass such a ban, they would have to have some means of enforcement.
Would they then use noknock warrents to invade the homes of smokers
originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
Then perhaps that small minority of people who are truly effected should seek housing in buildings where smoking is already banned?
And leave the rest of us in peace
originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: ArMaP
Actually smoking bans in residential units already exist
www.berkeleyside.com...