Thought Police Now Making "Hate Speech" Arrests to Defend Charlie Hebdo's Freedom of Speech

Charlie Hebdo publishes cartoons.

Muslims commit mass murder.

France holds rally to defend free speech.

France begins making arrests for "hate speech" because well... some speech is just not allowed.

Now Hiring for Thought Police.

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originally posted by: Jamie1
Charlie Hebdo publishes cartoons.

Muslims commit mass murder.

France holds rally to defend free speech.

France begins making arrests for "hate speech" because well... some speech is just not allowed.

Now Hiring for Thought Police.

finance.yahoo.com...

Irony....it is what makes it all worthwhile.

On a side note, all speech is free speech, except that, oh and that, and you cant say that either....in fact here, this list is shorter, these are the things you are allowed to say.

originally posted by: Jamie1
Charlie Hebdo publishes cartoons.

Muslims commit mass murder.

France holds rally to defend free speech.

France begins making arrests for "hate speech" because well... some speech is just not allowed.

Now Hiring for Thought Police.

finance.yahoo.com...

Did you actually read 1984? Thought Police enforced "thoughtcrime" which was unspoken ideas and beliefs. Their whole goal was to arrest people before they acted on thoughts.

You keep trying to include people getting arrested for actions as "Thought Police" for some reason.

Many countries in Europe have strong laws regarding anti-Semitism, the Holocaust, hate speech, etc. France didn't "begin" making arrests for hate speech. They've been doing it for quite a while. For whatever reason, the French seem more interested in stopping hate speech than applying the same vigor to fair housing and employment practices.

a reply to: Jamie1

From your link:

France has strong laws against hate speech and especially anti-Semitism
...
Inciting terrorism can bring a 5-year prison term — or up to 7 years for inciting terrorism online.

France begins making arrests for "hate speech" because well... some speech is just not allowed.

Some speech is just not allowed here, either.

Inciting terrorism can bring a 5-year prison term

So was the Charlie Hebdo publication NOT inciting terrorism then?, cause thats exactly what it seems to have done, quite literally.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Jamie1
Charlie Hebdo publishes cartoons.

Muslims commit mass murder.

France holds rally to defend free speech.

France begins making arrests for "hate speech" because well... some speech is just not allowed.

Now Hiring for Thought Police.

finance.yahoo.com...

Did you actually read 1984? Thought Police enforced "thoughtcrime" which was unspoken ideas and beliefs. Their whole goal was to arrest people before they acted on thoughts.

You keep trying to include people getting arrested for actions as "Thought Police" for some reason.

Many countries in Europe have strong laws regarding anti-Semitism, the Holocaust, hate speech, etc. France didn't "begin" making arrests for hate speech. They've been doing it for quite a while. For whatever reason, the French seem more interested in stopping hate speech than applying the same vigor to fair housing and employment practices.

Yes. 1984 was a book. A metaphor. Thought police was an extreme example of government intrusion into the most basic human rights, and the attempt to control even our thoughts.

Speech is the manifestation of thought.

To Muslims Charlie Hebdo is hate speech. France holds a rally and world leaders arrive to support Charlie Hebdo's right to insult Muslims.

France follows up by arresting people for hate speech.

Makes sense to me.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: Jamie1

From your link:

France has strong laws against hate speech and especially anti-Semitism
...
Inciting terrorism can bring a 5-year prison term — or up to 7 years for inciting terrorism online.

France begins making arrests for "hate speech" because well... some speech is just not allowed.

Some speech is just not allowed here, either.

Do you think France will arrest the publishers of Charlie Hebdo for inciting terrorism?

originally posted by: Jamie1

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Jamie1
Charlie Hebdo publishes cartoons.

Muslims commit mass murder.

France holds rally to defend free speech.

France begins making arrests for "hate speech" because well... some speech is just not allowed.

Now Hiring for Thought Police.

finance.yahoo.com...

Did you actually read 1984? Thought Police enforced "thoughtcrime" which was unspoken ideas and beliefs. Their whole goal was to arrest people before they acted on thoughts.

You keep trying to include people getting arrested for actions as "Thought Police" for some reason.

Many countries in Europe have strong laws regarding anti-Semitism, the Holocaust, hate speech, etc. France didn't "begin" making arrests for hate speech. They've been doing it for quite a while. For whatever reason, the French seem more interested in stopping hate speech than applying the same vigor to fair housing and employment practices.

Yes. 1984 was a book. A metaphor. Thought police was an extreme example of government intrusion into the most basic human rights, and the attempt to control even our thoughts.

Speech is the manifestation of thought.

To Muslims Charlie Hebdo is hate speech. France holds a rally and world leaders arrive to support Charlie Hebdo's right to insult Muslims.

France follows up by arresting people for hate speech.

Makes sense to me.

Well yea I'm sure when you redefine "Thought Police" to include "people getting arrested for actions and speech" then I can see why that would make sense to you. But since the very concept of Thought Police is arresting people before they do or say anything, that definition you've come up with is false. People being arrested for deeds is not Thought Police, unless one expands it to "Thoughts and Deeds Police" in which case yep, you're spot on.

a reply to: Jamie1

no because 'incitement' means to actively encourage - saying things like 'people should go out and commit terrorism'

ch didn't do that

a reply to: Jamie1

Do you think France will arrest the publishers of Charlie Hebdo for inciting terrorism?

Do you think France waging aggressive war in the Middle East and Africa is what really incited blow back that we call terrorism?

Get real.

a reply to: Jamie1

There's a difference between satirical cartoons and promoting hate and violence. France - and most liberal Western countries have a long tradition of poking fun at authority - including religion. In the West we sorted out issues with religious authority through much bloodshed a few centuries ago, and now most of us live in secular societies, so we (the public) won.

If people have problem understanding the difference between satire and violence and promoting hatred, then (er) that's their affair. Certainly, as shown in France, some Islamists don't.

Regards

originally posted by: aynock
a reply to: Jamie1

no because 'incitement' means to actively encourage - saying things like 'people should go out and commit terrorism'

ch didn't do that

So that big rally they had in Paris. That was to incite "free speech" then.

So France should be arresting itself for inciting the "hate speech."

Hard to have it both ways and make sense.

originally posted by: Dabrazzo

Inciting terrorism can bring a 5-year prison term

So was the Charlie Hebdo publication NOT inciting terrorism then?, cause thats exactly what it seems to have done, quite literally.

No, there were not.

They make fun of all religions and political parties. I don't recall the Catholics or Jews shooting the place up.

They may have made a bit more fun of islam becsuase it's just so easy to make fun of.

a reply to: loki41872

So......why did gunman execute most of their staff again then?, wasnt for something they said was it?!?

originally posted by: Jamie1
Charlie Hebdo publishes cartoons.

Muslims commit mass murder.

France holds rally to defend free speech.

France begins making arrests for "hate speech" because well... some speech is just not allowed.

Now Hiring for Thought Police.

finance.yahoo.com...

Many countries in Europe actually DO restrict your speech in regards to hate speech. These are already laws on the books.

originally posted by: aynock
a reply to: Jamie1

no because 'incitement' means to actively encourage - saying things like 'people should go out and commit terrorism'

ch didn't do that

Incite

Definition of incite in English: verb [with object] Encourage or stir up (violent or unlawful behaviour)

Charlie Hedbo seemed to have succesfully stirred up a considerable degree of violent or unlawful behaviour. Which is apparently illegal.

a reply to: Jamie1

So that big rally they had in Paris. That was to incite "free speech" then.

no - it was a show of solidarity and support

So France should be arresting itself for inciting the "hate speech."

what hate speech? the demonstrations weren't advocating anything illegal

Hard to have it both ways and make sense.

dictionaries are your friend - things become clearer when you know what words mean

originally posted by: Shamrock6
Well yea I'm sure when you redefine "Thought Police" to include "people getting arrested for actions and speech" then I can see why that would make sense to you. But since the very concept of Thought Police is arresting people before they do or say anything, that definition you've come up with is false. People being arrested for deeds is not Thought Police, unless one expands it to "Thoughts and Deeds Police" in which case yep, you're spot on.

"Speech" is not doing anything anymore than "thinking" is doing something.

Crime involves a specific victim that suffered as the result of a specific action.

"Hate speech" gave government the authority to arrest citizens without a victim, or any evidence of somebody being harmed.

It is the essence of stopping a hypothetical future crime.

a reply to: Dabrazzo

if someone hates people who wear purple hats, and you walk past them with a purple hat on and they beat you up, you haven't 'incited them to violence'

if the attacker's friend has said to them 'they've got a purple hat on, you should beat them up', they have 'incited them to violence'

simples