Pharrell Williams under fire over Michael Brown comments

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

They should be competent enough to deal with the situation like a professional and arrest the suspect in the safest way possible,

Yeah, because the criminals ALWAYS go out of their way to make the officers job as easy and safe as possible....give me a break. You act like a thug, you deserve to be treated like a thug, bottom line. Karma is not kind. Maybe Big Mike should have thought about that before assaulting that store owner and taking stuff that did not belong to him. Lets put it this way, I live in Colorado, we have the make my day law here. If I EVER see ANYBODY on my property helping themselves to my property, they are DEAD. Period.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

You should read the thread. That was already given on page 2.

Case : State of Missouri v Darren Wilson

Darren Wilson on why he shot Michael Brown

5,000 pages of Grand Jury testimony and evidence.
It's all there. Knock yourself out. Enjoy reading.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

I've read and related a great deal of this.

I'm asking you to point it out what you feel verifies Wilson's testimony.

Throwing the documents that I have already read most of and saying to read them is pretty bad form in a discussion. It's like claiming some specific bit of trivia and throwing someone an entire encyclopedia when asked where that is said.

edit: Additionally, you have yet to respond to most of this post, choosing only to respond to the barest part of it.

An educated and successful black man speaks out about how he feels about the youth today and gets slammed for it.. such a shame. Brown was seen doing exactly what he stated in the interview yet the public that chooses not to see the truth and is angry for Pharrells honest statement...Such a childish society.. stomp yer feet some more..

a reply to: Lil Drummerboy

Something something rape culture sell out buzzword buzzword

originally posted by: FlyersFan

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

originally posted by: Greven
Throwing the documents that I have already read most of and saying to read them is pretty bad form in a discussion.

Oh stop. You said to provide a link to the documents with credible eyewitness testimony and so I did. It's been on here twice now. Now you claim you have already read them .... If you've already read them (all 5,000 pages???) then your request for links to the credible eyewitness testimony was disingenuous.

Asked and answered. Provided. The testimonies aren't going to change with different sites providing the same information. this is from the source.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

You are asking me to find the testimony that supports your claim. The claim you made, and I quote, is this: "credible eyewitness accounts verify Wilsons story."

I will not scour witness testimony again to figure out what you meant. You do it. You've made the claim that they verify Wilson's story. You either have no concept of how discussions and debates transpire or are willfully ignoring it.

It's "like finding a negative" as one prosecutor in the case told the grand jury in instructing for probable cause.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

originally posted by: Greven
you have yet to respond to most of this post, choosing only to respond to the barest part of it.

Wrong. Again, read the thread. I already stated that they aren't 'MY CLAIMS'. I am stating the facts as the Grand Jury has reported them and I provided a link to the documents showing their statements and the evidence.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

You responded to that first sentence and then none of the rest of the content.

There were two parts of the post. You said, and I quote, "I have to listen to forensics. They don't lie, whereas people lie and are emotional. "

Which I responded by showing some actual evidence from the crime scene along with audio evidence of the shooting. It suggests something different from what Wilson said happened, and considering as you have already granted that people will lie and are emotional, suggests Wilson's testimony was other than perfectly accurate.

You completely ignored posts asking direct questions in other threads, it is beginning to be irksome.

Kind of off topic...

African American Michael Brown by a white police officer...

Why doesn't that read either "Black Michael Brown by a white police officer" or "African American Michael Brown by a European America police officer"


Lol

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Kind of off topic...

African American Michael Brown by a white police officer...

Why doesn't that read either "Black Michael Brown by a white police officer" or "African American Michael Brown by a European America police officer"


Lol

Or...

"Officer is forced to shoot suspect after moron goes for his service weapon"

That would have been the end of that. For mike anyways.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

As tragic as this mans death was let's not leave the path of reality completely.

When I was 16 years old I weighed 180 lbs. Even if I wasn't carrying a piece I would have taken anything I wanted from you whenever I wanted it. I would have left a person a bloody mess on the street in less than 30 seconds and I would not have had any remorse about doing it, especially if it paid for my entertainment for the night.

Be clear however, it's not a black/white/brown thing. It is very much a class thing. Poverty is the cause of an animalistic bent in many a young man's thinking. If there is nothing to lose, there is everything to gain.

That's what leads 15 year old kids (young men) to rob crack dealers in the street, it's what leads 17 year old men to rob crack houses to prove their worth, and it is even what leads young men to charge at armed police officers when they know they won't win.

Bravura, Bravado, Egotism taken to another extreme. Nothing will stop me because nothing has stopped me yet.

I got lucky/unlucky and life changed for me. I got out of the ghetto and made a different life for myself. One that I can be proud of in mixed company . I still know what it is like to have that little voice inside telling you to do things however. That never goes away. Once it's there it stays with you forever.

Never think that being "unarmed" in anyway is the same as "benign". The two things are worlds apart.

++Please don't think I meant any of this as a threat or as a "keyboard warrior". I just wanted to get some perspective from the other side into the conversation. The dirty side, the gutter side, the side that spawns this kind of altercation (and we come in all shapes, sizes, races and colors)++

a reply to: Dark Ghost

Pharrel made these comments before there was any decision to decide to try the case, I watched CNN yesterday and the editor of the magazine clarified the comments, and also explained how as usual they are turned into sound bytes to produce a different context.

He also said that the officer deserved punishment for his actions I believe, so I agree with comments by Darwin further down in the thread.

Doubled posted for some reason, that never happened, LOL please delete this one

a reply to: windword

Plenty of time to smear Brown's blood on the gun and inside the police car.

Really, where would that blood have come from? Was he also next to the body when he did that? Anyway, what made you think that blood is the only thing which contains DNA? Why would there be blood on the gun before he ran away? I was under the impression that he went for the gun, getting DNA(not blood I wouldn't think) on the gun, and then later when he was shot running at the officer, some of the blood could have splattered on Wilson and the gun. Forensics would likely have been able to tell the difference between a finger print and blood. People here are working O/T trying to find any angle with the evidence. The jury had hours and hours to pore over the evidence and discuss amongst themselves. 12 of them. Even the lawyers and such are looking at civil rights and not forensic evidence for their civil case.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Wilson himself claimed that he had blood on his hand:

Wilson: I pulled it a third time, it goes off. When it went off, it shot through my door panel and my window was down and glass flew out of my door panel. When I see the glass come up, it comes, a chunk about that big comes across my right hand and then I notice I have blood on the back of my hand.

And after the shooting:

Wilson: I said, Sarge, I can't be singled out.
... He said, take my car and leave. So I got in his car and I drove to the police station.
...
Wilson: I immediately go to the bathroom. On the way back, I found that I had blood on the inside of my left hand and I already know I had it on the back of my right hand.

Presumably, since he claims not to have touched Brown after Brown ran from the SUV, Wilson got the blood from the close range shooting.

He also said this:

Wilson: The only way I can describe it, it looks like a demon, that's how angry he looked. He comes back towards me with his hands up. At that point, I just went like this, I tried to pull the trigger again, click, nothing happened.
Q: When you say he came back up to you with his hands up, describe to us what he is doing?
Wilson: Last thing I saw was this coming at me.
Q: Was it a fist?
Wilson: I just saw his hands up, I don't know if they were closed yet, on the way to being closed, I saw this and that face coming at me again, and I just went like this and I shielded my face.
Q: And you did what?
Wilson: Went like this and shielded my face.
Q: Did he hit you at that time?
Wilson: Yes.
Q: Okay. Go ahead.
Wilson: So I pulled the trigger, it just clicks that time. Without even looking, I just grab the top of my gun, the slide and I racked it, and I put my, still not looking just holding my hand up, I pulled the trigger again, it goes off.

Based on his testimony it is unlikely that he grabbed the slide with his right hand then somehow repositioned it to the trigger to fire. Rather, he was holding the gun with his right hand, finger in or near the trigger, and he grabbed the slide with his left hand. This was racking a round into the chamber for the second shot, since the first did not apparently feed a round in for unknown reasons. So, the blood on the inside of his left hand could have come directly from the gun or otherwise.

Additionally, Wilson took his weapon back to the police station in the sergeant's vehicle and placed his weapon in an evidence bag himself. The weapon was not tested for fingerprints.

a reply to: Greven

You are asking me to find the testimony that supports your claim

Ummm no, Flyers is asking for you to find evidence to back up your claim.

a reply to: Greven
Well then it was his own blood. Are you suggesting he lied under oath about that and it was Brown's blood instead? What difference would that have made? If Brown went for the gun his hand would have been on the gun or holster before Wilson ever fired a shot or before Brown might have been running away and then decided to put his hands up....your version makes no sense whatever, and you and others are trying very hard to manufacture your own evidence.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Ummm no, Flyers is asking for you to find evidence to back up your claim.

What claim is that?

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Greven
Well then it was his own blood. Are you suggesting he lied under oath about that and it was Brown's blood instead? What difference would that have made? If Brown went for the gun his hand would have been on the gun or holster before Wilson ever fired a shot or before Brown might have been running away and then decided to put his hands up....your version makes no sense whatever, and you and others are trying very hard to manufacture your own evidence.

Wilson never bled. It was Brown's blood. Wilson testified that he introduced the gun into the situation. Brown did not go for the weapon at his holster even according to Wilson. At worst, Brown went for the weapon after Wilson was pointing it at him, according to Wilson's own testimony. What "version" of mine are you even talking about?

Edit: Since you clearly haven't read his testimony and you think something happened that did not, read Darren Wilson's testimony

Wilson: The whole time, I can't tell you if he was swinging at me or grabbing me or pushing me or what, but there was just stuff going on and I was looking down figuring out what to do.
...
Wilson: So the only other option I thought I had was my gun. I drew my gun, I turned. It is kind of hard to describe it, I turn and I go like this. He is standing here. I said, "get back or I'm going to shoot you." He immediately grabs my gun and says, "you are too much of a pussy to shoot me."