What, where, when, who...Why?

What, when, where, who...Why?

Does cosmology adequately answer the 'why' of our created existence?

I know why I 'create' - but, is there an analogic reason why a supreme being would create...anything...for anything but selfish reasons?

The ultimate 'beginning' phase would seem to place Source, alone and without anything to interact with, in a locale that is without form, and void. Presumably, void of everything...except itself...

Any thoughts spirit warriors?

Å99

a reply to: akushla99

Why assume it's not for personal reasons?

Every cell of your body has personal reasons...why not the creation.


Cheers!

originally posted by: Treespeaker
a reply to: akushla99

Why assume it's not for personal reasons?

Every cell of your body has personal reasons...why not the creation.


Cheers!

I like your reply.

It's all our 'business'...and I take my 'business' personally...Why would you 'create'?

Å99

You got it the otherway around, That's like asking.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Now that we have science we know that the egg came before the chicken. Because the egg was a dinosaur which became a chicken under the influence of powerful viruses that suppressed the reptilian features of avians.

So there you have it reptilians are real. Well bird like reptilians anyways, take a look at maya they have a feathered serpent god over there. Not surprising.

Now you are probably confused. How does the chicken and the egg have anything to do with it.

Well you are automatically assuming being that what layed the egg was a chicken, which in fact wasn't a chicken at all.
So the presumtion of a paradox is well... False. And has been proven.

So back to life before matter or matter before life.

I'm sorry to say that just like the chicken and the egg. The expectation is not quite what you think it is. You see, Matter can exist without life. This is undeniable 100%. But life cannot exist without matter. This is irrifutable.

What you are suggesting is that a being of pure consiousness. Which would have to start as life at some point. Created everything in existance including itself from non matter.

What you are suggesting is that life can come from non-existance first before existance is even established which is false.

Now im not gunna sit here and say the universe ever had a begining. Because it never really did have a begining in the first place. The universe is our definition of existance. Either something exists or it does not. Can you interact with it? Can you see it? feel it? Taste touch smell and can you manipulate mass to further see what our senses are missing? How does existance come about when there is nothing there in the first place. It's not like humans would exist without a planet or a star or galaxy to orbit and live in.

Infact all of these things can exist without life, as stated before 100%. Is there life on the moon? Well i don't see any trees growing so im going to assuming the surface is desolate. But that's besides the point.

Now how did all this life get here? We could hypothesize that life was either seeded here intelligently or not. Maybe panspermia, who knows? But since many cultures accept the existance of a creator. it's likely advanced life came here and created us given the legends we have seperated by geography over millenia.

originally posted by: AnuTyr
You got it the otherway around, That's like asking.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Now that we have science we know that the egg came before the chicken. Because the egg was a dinosaur which became a chicken under the influence of powerful viruses that suppressed the reptilian features of avians.

So there you have it reptilians are real. Well bird like reptilians anyways, take a look at maya they have a feathered serpent god over there. Not surprising.

Now you are probably confused. How does the chicken and the egg have anything to do with it.

Well you are automatically assuming being that what layed the egg was a chicken, which in fact wasn't a chicken at all.
So the presumtion of a paradox is well... False. And has been proven.

So back to life before matter or matter before life.

I'm sorry to say that just like the chicken and the egg. The expectation is not quite what you think it is. You see, Matter can exist without life. This is undeniable 100%. But life cannot exist without matter. This is irrifutable.

What you are suggesting is that a being of pure consiousness. Which would have to start as life at some point. Created everything in existance including itself from non matter.

What you are suggesting is that life can come from non-existance first before existance is even established which is false.

Now im not gunna sit here and say the universe ever had a begining. Because it never really did have a begining in the first place. The universe is our definition of existance. Either something exists or it does not. Can you interact with it? Can you see it? feel it? Taste touch smell and can you manipulate mass to further see what our senses are missing? How does existance come about when there is nothing there in the first place. It's not like humans would exist without a planet or a star or galaxy to orbit and live in.

Infact all of these things can exist without life, as stated before 100%. Is there life on the moon? Well i don't see any trees growing so im going to assuming the surface is desolate. But that's besides the point.

Now how did all this life get here? We could hypothesize that life was either seeded here intelligently or not. Maybe panspermia, who knows? But since many cultures accept the existance of a creator. it's likely advanced life came here and created us given the legends we have seperated by geography over millenia.

Thanx for your...reply.

Inherent in the leading questions was a call to anthropomorphologise the intent...the Why...

Do cosmological treatises (in your opinion) adequately explain this 'Why'?

What you have written somewhat resembles the cycle of inbreath and outbreath of a Source, without a reason...the Why...

Å99

why does life exist?

It's not hard to understand. In order for objects to form in space they need energy. Energy comes from holding 2 opposite magnetic forces so tightly together that no energy can escape. Magnetic slivers themselves are so dense they won't shift and break apart. it's a solid object that cannot move.

We will call it black matter, Which in a condensed form becomes black matter as in there is a high percentage of this product in one location. and when it escapes pressurization or density. Where the volume of this mass would take up a lot of space. It becomes gas like or vaporlike which then we call black energy as it is presently there but does not interact with physical mass on a exchanging or bonding from charges basis.

Basically theres so much of this non reacting stuff around us it allows objects to be seperated in what we call space.

Without this energy there would be no space. We wouldn't be orbiting and we wouldn't be a planet. The universe would just be one solid object because the laws of physics would not apply in such a case which is of course impossible.





Since this black energy/matter can only be created by breaking down atoms and subatomic particles in their their magnetic slivers condensing them into non motorized particles. As explained this fills up *space* Even the space within particles. This is why some particles vibrate a lot or go flying is because one of the orbiting particles collides with a dark particle and sends it rocking some times they are just brushing some particles well spinning so they *vibrate* as well as the polarized energies of positive negative and neutral all fighting to sustain their rings ect.

But without all that energy from being bound up, regular mass wouldn't exist in the way it does.

Now what does all this have to do with life? You are asking the why right?

Basically ima gunna cut the secrets of life the universe and everything to you.


Since black holes Exist and feed off of decaying matter as well as stars and planet ect. Since the organization of planets and stars requires energy. It would make sense that this energy has a way of preserving itself. That is where life comes in.
As humans we are walking batteries. Birds ect. All of us hold energy. Lesser organisms break down inorganic matter into organic mass which gets eaten by animals and then we eat the animals.

It is really as boring as energy conservation? Well not exactly. All this organization holds memory. And memory is the most important thing to life because without it life could not organize and there for exist. But since all mass holds energy, then the possibilities for life are truely endless. We might not beable to see life on other planets close by yet if there is any but we can see what we have here and that is a big enough clue already.

The big question of Why? Why all the organization? Why evolution? What's the purpose of life existing?
As stated matter can exist 100% without life. But without life there lack of a story ( from a writers perspective)
There is no story, so what ever happens such as those constellations funneling into a black hole well so what nothings living there anyways right?
Now from the planets/stars/solar systems perspective that just ultimately sucks dosn't it? You get created only to be funneled down a black drain hole having your guts ripped apart fragment by reagment until you are tiny neutralized ball that takes up space lol literally.

What is the purpose of all this? Well the answer i could of given you a long time ago but its just so easy and deserves better explaination. Without life all these planets and objects in space will cease to exist without nothing to remeber them. Matter itself does not want to be destroyed. So everything is made to hold in harmony for this reason. without harmony there is only chaos and where there is chaos there is only scatter piles of particle debris.

Some day the Earth will die, and the purpose of life will become quite clear the moment we are searching for our new home.

Why is that? Because Earth will most likely be the flag we will be waving across the universe.

Now if that isn't calling for extreme measures of survival i don't know what is. But life is the conservation of matter. Always has been always will be. Just... humans have lost sight of these values.

a reply to: AnuTyr

It seems you are saying...If a tree falls into a forest and there is no-one there to hear it...it does not exist - but appear to be fairly certain that things you have not experienced or seen with your own eyes...do...

The inherent questions in the OP are asking (under the assumption that a Source created everything), whether you subscribe to the rolling creation that never began and will always be converted into energy ad nauseam: or whether you subscribe to the beginning/end scenario...as a creator, why would you create?...and do cosmological treatises (in your opinion) answer this question adequately?

Refer to the OP which condenses what I am asking.

Å99

originally posted by: akushla99
What, when, where, who...Why?

Does cosmology adequately answer the 'why' of our created existence?

I know why I 'create' - but, is there an analogic reason why a supreme being would create...anything...for anything but selfish reasons?

The ultimate 'beginning' phase would seem to place Source, alone and without anything to interact with, in a locale that is without form, and void. Presumably, void of everything...except itself...

Any thoughts spirit warriors?

Å99

When this question is placed, the response always comes back: In the body, you will not comprehend. Any answers given here is pure speculative, given from a particular perspective.

Maybe, self-realization. Massive science experiment. But, if all knew that on a simple level, they wouldn't be appreciative, because all they say is those two words and not the complete picture, if that makes sense.

a reply to: akushla99

IMO.....It appears that the world we live in is the outworking of two opposing forces for the magnifying and expansion of those forces. It appears that a given amount of energy was invested into a set of parameters ( current physical life ) that would create the maximum amount of diversity and intensity in order to develop that energy as well as to expose the consciousness of the individual souls (for lack of a better term) to the most strenuous tests and trials that could be created within those parameters.

As to the ultimate reason for why......I would have to say that there would be no point for a God to exist unless there were conscious entities to know of it's existence and to learn/show who that God is. Also it would be a way for that God to experience it's existence from a myriad of perspectives/experiences.