Where is the demand for fluoride "ENHANCED" water coming from?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

our owners treat us like just like a farmer would treat his cattle

Huh. The ranchers I know are very concerned about the health of their livestock.

only so they remain profitable

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Yup. Unhealthy livestock is not good for business.

a reply to: Phage

yup...livestock get sick and farmers lose their profit...but in our case our owners are also heavily invested in big pharma so it is a win win...lets face facts modern medicine is not designed to cure it is designed to you reliant and said pills to keep you alive...society is just functioning to keep the gears turning....do you believe our society is thriving ?

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

lets face facts modern medicine is not designed to cure it is designed to you reliant and said pills to keep you alive

The fact I face is that modern medicine cured me of cancer 27 years ago. I know people who turned their back on modern medicine at that same time. I'm here, they're not. Other than an annual office visit, I'm not paying them much to keep me alive.

do you believe our society is thriving ?

It has its ups and downs. In general, I don't have a lot to complain about. Not anything I can blame on anyone but myself anyway.

a reply to: Phage

The fact I face is that modern medicine cured me of cancer 27 years ago. I know people who turned their back on modern medicine at that same time. I'm here, they're not. Other than an annual office visit, I'm not paying them much to keep me alive.

that is a good news story i am glad you were cured....i would hazard a guess though you are in the minority...

It has its ups and downs. In general, I don't have a lot to complain about. Not anything I can blame on anyone but myself anyway.

you may have nothing to complain about but there are many that do...especially in third world countries

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

you may have nothing to complain about but there are many that do...especially in third world countries

And....?
It's whose job to take care of them? Do you contribute to the NGOs that are trying to help?
And.....?
What on Earth does that have to do with fluoridation?

a reply to: Phage

DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR. I googled 'poison control center fluoride' and this was the second listing; fluoridealert.org...

It includes listings from the FDA of reported poisonings from fluoride and how much they've risen since the WARNING LABEL was put on the toothpaste tubes.

Remember all those ads where they show someone putting a long stripe of toothpaste on the brush? How many people never read the back of the tube (certainly a 3 year old doesn't) and think that's how much you're supposed to use? That's enough to poison a small child. What if they use that much twice a day for years? So that the toothpaste companies can make their profits?

Your tenacity in insisting that everyone needs to be poisoned by their government (and how many people even realize that fluoride is in their municipal water or how harmful it may be?) is duly noted.

Seig Heil.

a reply to: Phage

What on Earth does that have to do with fluoridation?

about as much as a cure for cancer does

a reply to: signalfire

DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR. I googled 'poison control center fluoride' and this was the second listing

That is not a poison control center, is it?

Here is what you said:

From the Poison Control Center website (reproduced here in total, because I'm disgusted by the attitude of some here that adding MORE fluoride to EVERYONE'S water supply is sanctioned by ANYONE.)

It is not from "the Poison Control Center website" it is from the "fluoride action network." An anti-fluoridation website.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Phage

What on Earth does that have to do with fluoridation?

about as much as a cure for cancer does

Which has about as much as has to do with livestock, which you brought into the conversation.

Ahhh woken up ready to carry on...
Right formerly posted
Just some food for thought
Fluoride began being added in 1945 ( hmm what else happened in '45 ) becoming a policy as safe in 1951

Ok
Riots in the US
1906 - Atlanta Riots, (Atlanta, Georgia, United States)
1907 - Bellingham riots, (Bellingham, Washington, United States)
1908 - Springfield Race Riot, (Springfield, Illinois, United States)
1910 - Nationwide riots following the heavyweight championship fight between Jack Johnson and Jim Jeffries in Reno, Nevada on July 4[citation needed]
1916 - Everett massacre, (Everett, Washington, United States)
1917 - East St. Louis Riot, (St. Louis, Missouri & East St. Louis, Illinois, United States)
1917 - Houston Riot (1917), Houston, Texas, United States
1919 - May Day Riots, (Cleveland, Ohio, United States)
1919 - Red Summer, (United States)
1919 - Chicago Race Riot, (Chicago, Illinois, United States)
1919 - Boston Police Strike, (Boston, Massachusetts, United States)
1919 - Elaine Race Riot, (Elaine, Arkansas, United States)
1921 - Tulsa Race Riot, (Tulsa, Oklahoma, United States
1922 - Herrin Massacre, (Herrin, Illinois, United States)
1923 - Rosewood massacre, (Rosewood, Florida)
1931 - Hawaii Riot, (Hawaii, United States)
1932 - Bonus Army March, Spring/Summer, Washington, D.C., United State
1934 - U.S. Nazi Riot[7] (New York City, New York, United States)
1934 - Minneapolis Teamsters Strike of 1934 Minneapolis, Minnesota
1935 - Harlem Race Riot (New York City, New York, United States)
1937 - Memorial Day Massacre of 1937 (Chicago, Illinois, United States)
1943 - Zoot Suit Riots, (Los Angeles, California, United States)
1943 - Detroit Race Riot (1943), (Detroit, Michigan, United States)
1943 - Harlem Riot, (New York, United States)
1944 - Fort Lawton Riot, (Washington, United States)

Flouride trials begin 1945

1946 - Nylon riots US
1949 - Peekskill Riot (Peekskill, New York, United States)

Flouride program's begin 1951

1957 - Little Rock Integration Crisis (Autumn, 1957 Little Rock, Arkansas)
1962 - Ole Miss riot 1962, September 30, The University of Mississippi
1963 - Cambridge riot 1963, June 14, Cambridge, Maryland
1964 - Harlem race riot, July 18–23 (New York City, United States)
1964 - Rochester 1964 race riot, July 24–25 (Rochester, New York, United States)
1964 - Jersey City 1964 race riot,[12] August 2–4 (Jersey City, New Jersey, United States)
1964 - Elizabeth 1964 race riot,[12] August 11–13 (Elizabeth, New Jersey, United States)
1964 - Dixmoor 1964 race riot[12] August 16–17 (Chicago, Illinois, United States)
1964 - Philadelphia 1964 race riot August 28–30
1965 - Watts Riot, August 1965, (Los Angeles, California, United States)1966 - Division Street Riots, June 12–14 (Humboldt Park, Chicago, United States)
1966 - Hough Riots, July 1966 (Cleveland, Ohio, United States)
1966 - Compton's Cafeteria Riot, August 1966 (San Francisco, California, United States)
1966 - Benton Harbor Riot, August–September 1966 (Benton Harbor, Michigan, United States)
1966 - Atlanta riot of 1966, Sep. 6 (Atlanta, Georgia, United States)[citation needed]
1966 - Sunset Strip curfew riots (Los Angeles, California, United States)
1967 - Tampa Riots of 1967, June 1967 (Tampa, Florida, United States)
1967 - Buffalo riot of 1967, June 27 (Buffalo, New York, United States)
1967 - 1967 Newark riots, July 12–18, 1967 (Newark, New Jersey, United States)
1967 - 1967 Plainfield riots, July 14–20, 1967 (Plainfield, New Jersey, United States)
1967 - 12th Street Riot, July 23–27, 1967 (Detroit, Michigan, United States)
1967 - Cairo riot, July 17 (Cairo, Illinois, United States)
1968 - 1968 Washington, D.C. riots, April 1968 (Washington, D.C., United States)
1968 - Baltimore riot of 1968, April 6–12 (Baltimore, Maryland, United States)
1968 - Chicago riot of 1968 April 7–14 (Chicago, Illinois, United States)
1968 - Kansas City riot of 1968, April 1968 (Kansas City, Missouri, United States)
1968 - JCH Riot in outrage over Hartwick College's schism from the Lutheren Church [13][full citation needed]
1968 - Louisville riots of 1968, May 27, (Louisville, Kentucky, United States)
1968 - Glenville Shootout, (Cleveland, Ohio, United States)
1968 - 1968 Democratic National Convention riot, August 1968, (Chicago, Illinois,
1969 - Stonewall Riots, June 1969, (New York City, New York, United States)
1969 - Days of Rage, Oct. 1969, (Chicago, Illinois, United States)
1960s - Berkeley riots, a series of riots in (Berkeley, California)
1970 - Kent State shootings, May 1970, (Kent, Ohio, United States)
1970 - Hard Hat riot, Wall Street, May 8, 1970, (New York City, New York, United States)
1971 - Camden Riots, August 1971, (Camden, New Jersey, United States)
1971 - Attica Prison uprising, (Attica, New York, United States)
1974 - Boston Busing Race Riots, anti-busing riots throughout Boson
1975 - Livernois-Fenkell riot (Detroit, Michigan, United States)
1979 - Disco Demolition Night, (Chicago, Illinois, United States)
1979 - White Night gay riots, May 1979 (San Francisco, California)

1980 - New Mexico State Penitentiary Riot, (Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States)
1980 - Arthur McDuffie riots, May 1980, (Miami, Florida, United States)
1982 - Washington Anti-Klan protest 1982, Nov. 1982, (Washington, D.C., United States)
1982 - Miami Riot, Overtown Riot, Dec. 1982, (Miami, Florida, United States)[15]
1984 - Aggieville Riot, (Manhattan, Kansas)
1987 - Tampa Riot 1987, Feb. 1987, (Tampa, Florida, United States)
1987 - Atlanta Prison Riots, (Atlanta, United States)
1988 - Tompkins Square Park Police Riot, August 1988 (East Village, Manhattan, New York City)
1988 - Hot Biscuit Riot, Shreveport, Louisiana[17]
1989 - Tampa Riot 1989, Feb. 1989, (Tampa, Florida, United States
1989 - Greek Fest Riot (Virginia Beach, Virginia)
1991 - 1991 Washington, D.C. riot in D.C.'s Mount Pleasant neighborhood, May 1991, (Washington, D.C., United States)
1991 - Crown Heights Riot, August 1991, (Brooklyn, New York, United States)
1992 - Los Angeles riots, April 29 – May 4 (Los Angeles, California, United States)
1992 - Washington Heights Riot, July 1992, (New York, New York, United States)
1992 - Chicago Bulls Victory Riots, June (Chicago, Illinois, United States)[20]
1996 - St. Petersburg, Florida Riot 1996, Oct. 1996, (St. Petersburg, Florida, United States)
1999 - Michigan State University student riot, April 1999, (East Lansing, Michigan, United States
1999 - WTO Ministerial Conference of 1999, November, 1999 (Seattle, Washington, United States)
2000 - Riot at the Staples Center after Lakers win Championship, June 21, (Los Angeles, California)


Now cast your eyes over this list will some admit that most riots happen since 51 ( being when fluoride became used ) in
California===didn't add flouride until 95
New York ===== is about to start
New jersy =====is about to start
Chicago=====actually proving a little hard to get reliable info but Portland ill.=== about to start/just has
Washington ====== well it would lol, but again struggling to get reliable info

Where as prior to 51 civil disturbance was a bit more scattered

( sorry this is all being done via an iPhone so my little thumb is getting sore, I'm still looking at dates for some of the other areas of civil disturbance )

Now remove the 'riots' that were in prison facilities

Do you see a riot to flouride connection yet ?
No flouride = more prone to civil disobedience ???- that's a question not a statement !
Just a line of enquiry I've thought about for a while - and now I'm looking, I'm seeing a patern emerge

Do this with other countries - the results are quite ......odd
Look at countries ( especially Europe due to their similarities with the US in development ) see which ones don't add fluoride, or where a small percentage of the populous are exposed, and compare that to their civil disorders
Then look at the ones that do add flouride

Calm as Hindu cows

And let's not forget for all the fluoride scientific advances and technological tomfoolery the US is still one of the illest populations in the developed world ?

Sorry how rude morning everyone

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: v1rtu0s0
Good for you.
But it does seem to help a good number of people.

Comparisons of communities where water is fluoridated and communities where water remains unfluoridated show a reduced prevalence of dental caries in the range of 18-40 % when fluoridation is used (4). A recent study established the rate of caries reduction at 25 % (23). It is postulated that this estimate is more conservative than those reported in the past because the general population now enjoys the benefits of fluoride from other sources,
such as fluoride-enriched toothpaste and vitamin supplements.

www.inspq.qc.ca...

That's where you know it's BS. Fluoride via a vitamin supplement will do nothing for your teeth. In the stomach it goes no where but your bones. It doesn't somehow magically go back to your teeth. That is medically understood.

The elderly die often from bone fractures, fluoride accumulates in bones. Happens to make them more brittle. Increases bone cancer in young men as well.

Defending a position that's literally killing people and the scientific evidence and studies are there.

Lets just be real for the "for" crowd, what's the balance between those deaths caused by fluoride and the healthy, white smiles that our public has? Because with these folk, you know that's where it'd go. Positions such as "well it's not that many people"....it's not a valid argument. "Well they could have exercised more and the fluoride wouldn't have mattered". The clinging and desperate attachment to fluoride is interesting.

It's like, "Sooooo.... fluoride > people. Right."

Just remember, fluoride wouldn't exist without an observer. =P

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
a reply to: Bedlam

Actually not "all" bottled water contains flouride:

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

bibliotecapleyades isn't exactly on my list if sites that actually HAVE data more trustworthy than weekly world news. I sent some bottled waters off and they all had fluoride. I contacted them and was told anything labeled "drinking water" likely contained fluoride.

Bottled RO, DI or distilled does not. Dasani or Evian, yep.

At the time, Huntsville was having an algae bloom in the river their water comes from, it was godawful tasting and full of chloramines. It being me, I got curious about what was in the bottled drinking water we were using instead.

It looks a lot like filtered tap water by the analysis.

a reply to: Neocrusader

Thank you for gathering the information on riots Neocrusader. Very interesting indeed. I had often pondered the possible correlation between the docile/apathetic populace and what we consume - or are forced to, as the case may be.

Just wanted to add that this thread was very refreshing to read - we have a right to know what we are consuming. If they can change a label to tell us when something is New! and Improved! - then they can JUST as easily disclose all relevant information to the consumer.

Consumer = the person paying the salaries of the company that sells the product. Without us they are nothing.

As a child-sugar-addict I got lots of early-life cavities, going to the dentist was at least a once a year thing. As I left the dentist would always hand me a couple lollipops. Advertisers probably have a name for such a practice, but to me I'd like to meet that dentist again and have a word or two (or fifty).

The population is geared to trust anything said to them by their TV or their product-package. If the bottles say "Fluoride added" then they must be a good thing, or so people always want to believe. More please.

Would you drink lotion to improve skin health or shampoo to improve hair health? The answer is obviously no. Aside from the intermittent and extremely brief time the water occasionally touches your teeth as you drink it, the analogy stands. No one swishes drinking water before they swallow it.

So to the pro-fluoridated water camp: you might have a point when talking about fluoridated toothpaste, mouthwash, or fluoride-lined floss, but if you think INGESTING fluoride, especially a quote 'harmless' amount, is going to make your teeth any stronger or healthier, it's you guys that are the real quacks.

It's a known fact that fluoride is used in antidepressants so for one to assume it could affect people's behavior is no more far-fetched than assuming drinking teeth-cleaner cleans teeth.

a reply to: Neocrusader

ah but you can also apply your lists to for example

more voting rights = more prone to civil disobedience
more womens rights = more prone to civil disobedience
more air travell = more prone to civil disobedience
and the age old favourite, More Freedom of expression in music = more prone to civil disobedience

and so on

originally posted by: humanityrising

It's a known fact that fluoride is used in antidepressants so for one to assume it could affect people's behavior is no more far-fetched than assuming drinking teeth-cleaner cleans teeth.

Well, yeah it is far-fetched. Chemistry doesn't work that way.