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Russia helped to evacuate Yanukovych to Crimea, when the Black Sea peninsula was still part of Ukraine, and then agreed to assist him across the border into Russia, Putin told the annual Valdai Club meeting in Sochi today.
“I won’t conceal it that we helped him move to Crimea,” he said. “At that moment, Crimea was part of Ukraine. As the events in Kiev were developing very quickly and violently, it made no sense for him to return to Kiev.”
Putin’s comments mark the first time Russia has said it helped Yanukovych to flee into exile after months of anti-government protests in Kiev. Putin admitted in April that the soldiers who took control of Crimea before his annexation of the Black Sea territory were Russian. He’d previously denied that Russia’s military was involved.
The takeover of Crimea, which prompted the U.S. and its allies to impose sanctions, complied with United Nations norms, Putin said. The transfer of Crimea from Russia to Ukraine under the Soviet Union had been illegal, he said.
originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
While the West stand by, funding Israeli annexation of Palestine, they have no say in Russia doing the same thing...
That's a hypocritical double standard to begin with!
originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Add to that, Crimea has its own constitution which can call for a referendum whenever it wants...
originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
How it came about may have been nefarious antics from Russia...
But the only proof of that is from the mouths of Western leaders...
originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
And to that I refer you to my original sentence!
May I ask why you're so hellbent on demonising Russia/Putin while ignoring Ukrainian/Western bull # in this Ukrainian situation?
You seem much smarter than that X!
Because I don't think people adequately grasp the danger Putin represents.
The man cannot tell the truth.
He is willing to kill those who don't agree with his vision of Russia.
He thinks the collapse of the USSR was illegal.
There are people on this site who think the American Presidents lie all the time. For the most part, they do and it raises real issues.
The problem here is people do not see that with putin.
To argue the American government has done this or that while ignoring the very same when it comes to Russia serves no purpose.
It undermines the moral argument they make and in the end reinforces the very behavior they called out in the first place.
We have a President where the only thing holding him upright is the starch in his shirt.
He loves drones and has no abilities when it comes to military / strategic affairs.
The chances of him attacking, hell even seeking, a confrontation with Russia is delusionary.
I have no issues with people calling my government out, as I have done many times. The issue becomes when people ignore the very issues they call out in the US.
Finally Putin is all over the board with justifications for his actions - something people intentionally ignore.
I am stating that the excuse "we didn't know what the government was doing" did not work at Nuremberg and it wont work today.
Russia has mass potential to be a world class country other look to for inspiration.
Putin is squandering Russia's future because he lives in the past.
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: Xcathdra
I have no issues with people calling my government out, as I have done many times.
And at the same time you keep ignoring US involvement in the Ukrainian mess...WTF ?
originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
I'll respect your wishes pal.
It's not my intention to derail the thread, merely to point out the massive contradiction the West is involved in!
originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
You right that Putin has no proof it wasn't nefarious...
It's tit for tat, my word against yours kinda #, I just don't trust any of them!
originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Thanks for answering my question, well said too!
originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
I'd agree 100%, except that he'd kill who he wants...
Everything else is spot on imo!
“Ukraine’s choice to join Europe will accelerate the demise of the ideology of Russian imperialism that Putin represents. … Russians, too, face a choice, and Putin may find himself on the losing end not just in the near abroad but within Russia itself.”
So you see absolutely no correlation between Yanukovych’s refusal to accept EU trade agreements and harsh IMF economic reforms and his sudden impeachment?
Oh and there is also the small matter of the U.S handpicking the Ukrainian government that replaced Yanukovych.
His refusal came because Putin gave him the choice...
so I don't see how you can say the US hand picked the Ukraine government? .
so I don't see how you can say the US hand picked the Ukraine government? .
George Soros told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria over the weekend he is responsible for establishing a foundation in Ukraine that ultimately contributed to the overthrow of the country’s elected leader and the installation of a junta handpicked by the State Department.
“First on Ukraine, one of the things that many people recognized about you was that you during the revolutions of 1989 funded a lot of dissident activities, civil society groups in eastern Europe and Poland, the Czech Republic. Are you doing similar things in Ukraine?” Zakaria asked Soros. “Well, I set up a foundation in Ukraine before Ukraine became independent of Russia. And the foundation has been functioning ever since and played an important part in events now,” Soros responded.
Asked about the leaked video, US State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said, “I didn’t say it was inauthentic.
In a nutshell Ukraine (or rather its puppetmasters) has decided to let no crisis (staged or otherwise) or rather civil war, go to waste, and while the fighting rages all around, Ukrainian troopers are helping to install shale gas production equipment near the east Ukrainian town of Slavyansk, which was bombed and shelled for the three preceding months, according to local residents cited by Itar Tass. The reason for the scramble? Under peacetime, the process was expected to take many years, during which Europe would be under the energy dictatorship of Putin. But throw in some civil war and few will notice let alone care that a process which was expected to take nearly a decade if not longer while dealing with broad popular objections to fracking, may instead be completed in months!
Ukraine is on the brink of civil war, Vladimir Putin has said, and he should know because the country is already in the midst of a covert intelligence war. Over the weekend, CIA director John Brennan travelled to Kiev, nobody knows exactly why, but some speculate that he intends to open US intelligence resources to Ukrainian leaders about real-time Russian military maneuvers.
So what kind of conversations did Brennan have during his visit? There’s no way of knowing for sure of course. But, according to my sources, and based on my experience of reporting on the Russian invasion of Georgia, the US-Ukraine information exchange would go a lot further than simply tracking numbers and motions of Russian tanks and soldiers. The operative term here is ‘non-lethal’ help – that remains Washington’s official position.
The evidence that the U.S. was behind the toppling of the Ukrainian government early this year is so overwhelming at this point that the subject really isn't up for debate, however initially it was unclear how the election of Petro Poroshenko fit in. The ecstatic response by Washington when he was declared the winner, and their unbending support in spite of his ongoing military assault against civilians in the east, made it clear that he was the chosen one, but the paper trail wasn't immediately obvious.
As it turns out, the evidence that Poroshenko is in the pocket of the U.S. State Department has been available all this time, you just had to know where to find it. In a classified diplomatic cable from 2006 released by Wikileaks.org, U.S. officials refer to Poroshenko as "Our Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko".
A separate cable also released by Wikileaks makes it clear that the U.S. government was considered Poroshenko corrupt. "Poroshenko was tainted by credible corruption allegations, but wielded significant influence within OU; Poroshenko's price had to be paid."
The U.S. government knew Poroshenko was dirty, but he was influential, and arguably their most dependable mole.
Think the deadly events in a civil-war ridden Ukraine are proceeding unscripted, and without US supervision and/or direction? Think again.
Below is an excerpt from a formerly confidential memo, leaked by Wikileaks, and authored by former US ambassador to Russia, William J. Burns, to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The punchline: the memo is dated February 1, 2008.
Ukraine and Georgia's NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia's influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.
So, if Russia does "not want to face" said decision which could and has led to the violence and civil war that is now a daily staple of market-moving newsflow out of Eastern Europe, why not let the US state department force the decision upon Russia?
Wow i am shocked at some whom are desperately attacking Russia without even knowing what there own government says after the facts.
Ah the newrepublic a news sources for the Republicans. Just like fox or the blaze.
The New Republic is led by its Publisher and Editor-in-Chief, Chris Hughes. A Facebook co-founder and digital campaign strategist for the 2008 Obama Campaign, Hughes purchased The New Republic in March, 2012 to help build a future for substantive journalism in a digital age.