Ebola patient is in NY

originally posted by: babybunnies
Reports are coming in that an "extraordinary number" of staff are calling in sick to the New York hospital to avoid having to treat this Ebola patient.

Horrible morals and ethics from a heathcare system that is constantly touted as "the best in the world".

Any worker that called in sick that can't produce a doctor's note (one NOT written by a doctor at the same hospital) should be fired on the basis of their incredibly poor morals and ethics.

If you're working in a job that requires you to look after sick people, you can't pick and choose which sick people you'd like to look after.

They are kind of like kryptonite because of vague protocols and lack of proper PPE equipment.

Goes back to what the one doctor said about considering not treating Ebola patients. Don't know exactly what 'not treating' includes, or doesn't include.


Sorry, don't remember where I read that about possibly not treating. If anyone has the link, it would be appreciated.

originally posted by: babybunnies
Reports are coming in that an "extraordinary number" of staff are calling in sick to the New York hospital to avoid having to treat this Ebola patient.

Horrible morals and ethics from a heathcare system that is constantly touted as "the best in the world".

Any worker that called in sick that can't produce a doctor's note (one NOT written by a doctor at the same hospital) should be fired on the basis of their incredibly poor morals and ethics.

If you're working in a job that requires you to look after sick people, you can't pick and choose which sick people you'd like to look after.

I'm sure you would be the first one to volunteer to run into a burning house without proper gear. When healthcare workers behave in this fashion its a testament to the deplorable conditions that they see day to day, they obviously know what is going on at that institution more so than anyone.

found link...
The Guardian article

Some US hospitals weigh withholding care to Ebola patients
Officials admit some interventions are too dangerous to doctors and nurses and are unlikely to help a patient with the virus

The Ebola crisis is forcing the American healthcare system to consider the previously unthinkable: withholding some medical interventions because they are too dangerous to doctors and nurses and unlikely to help a patient.

US hospitals have over the years come under criticism for undertaking measures that prolong dying rather than improve patients’ quality of life.

Here's for a good laugh.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio eats at Greenwich Village restaurant that was briefly closed after Ebola patient Craig Spencer reportedly dined there - @JonLemire

Wonder if he will head to the bowling alley "The Gutter" for Moonlight Bowling tonight?

a reply to: MrLimpet

God what a tool. This is as pointless as Obama hugging Pham. Assinine even. Look us rich and powerful people are so sure we have everything under control we will behave like you mere mortals just to prove it. How about passing some quarantine measures and travel restrictions that make sense instead? Their actions inspire about as much confidence in me as when my 5 year old says "I'm a big boy I'll watch the baby while you go to the store". None!

a reply to: ~Lucidity

the

question has STILL

not been answered which is ...Can or can not the virus be contacted from a inert surface??~!!!! Which was my question as well..

out of the 3 experts ...NO ONE KNOWS>.. !!! ???

a reply to: Komodo

From everything I've read, yes. See number 4 at this link particular. This is pretty much the standard answer.

originally posted by: babybunnies
Reports are coming in that an "extraordinary number" of staff are calling in sick to the New York hospital to avoid having to treat this Ebola patient.

Horrible morals and ethics from a heathcare system that is constantly touted as "the best in the world".

Any worker that called in sick that can't produce a doctor's note (one NOT written by a doctor at the same hospital) should be fired on the basis of their incredibly poor morals and ethics.

If you're working in a job that requires you to look after sick people, you can't pick and choose which sick people you'd like to look after.

This is Ebola, so I can't say that I blame them. These employees have a responsibility to look after their families. What if they were to come down with Ebola and then take it home?

This is NYC....absolutely the worst place in the world to have Ebola, esp. with the number of homeless people in the area, who are vulnerable to a variety of illnesses inc. pneumonia and TB. And now this. Multiply that by the number of subways, buses and cabs x how many people use public transport in the city. This is a recipe for disaster.

Ever since this started in the U.S. with Duncan I've been thinking about my Mom, who died unexpectedly over 10 years ago. She was a nursing student but dropped it before marrying my step-father. I wonder how she would have handled this?

I realize these patients need to be cared for but with the high fatality rate I can't blame everyone who called in sick. Someone else on ATS...can't remember their name....is from the State of NY like me and works in the healthcare system. I think for the state. This person said a message was sent informing staff of a desperate need for volunteers to sign up for Ebola duty (I'm paraphrasing here). And if not enough people signed up, they would be "drafted," so to speak.

This person was supposed to respond by this past Monday. I don't know how this turned out.

You know, the utter and sheer stupidity make me wonder what the other hand is up to.

Or they really are this inept.

Or it's on purpose.

They've released the doctor's primary contacts, but still no word of the nurse's boyfriend?

And Duncan's family is completely untouched.

Oh, and unseen.

What gives?

originally posted by: MrLimpet
Here's for a good laugh.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio eats at Greenwich Village restaurant that was briefly closed after Ebola patient Craig Spencer reportedly dined there - @JonLemire

Wonder if he will head to the bowling alley "The Gutter" for Moonlight Bowling tonight?

sometimes I wonder if they all have been vaccinated, and attempting to give people a false sense of security

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Everyone's been asking these same questions. The silence on the part of tptb is breathtaking. It has to be deliberate.

I understand HIPAA laws but this is a public health emergency. By law when someone calls a hospital to get the status of a patient, they have to give out that person's condition (serious, stable or whatever). Or if the patient has been discharged. We're not even getting that.

I smell a rat.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Good link. One survivor is quoted as having lost 25 pounds.
I guess Nina Phams weight must be attributable to IV fluids or possibly steroids given as medication.

originally posted by: babybunnies
Reports are coming in that an "extraordinary number" of staff are calling in sick to the New York hospital to avoid having to treat this Ebola patient.

Horrible morals and ethics from a heathcare system that is constantly touted as "the best in the world".

Any worker that called in sick that can't produce a doctor's note (one NOT written by a doctor at the same hospital) should be fired on the basis of their incredibly poor morals and ethics.

If you're working in a job that requires you to look after sick people, you can't pick and choose which sick people you'd like to look after.

Have to disagree with this...

The people who have contracted Ebola are all health care workers, when you take a job an ordinary job your there to help patients, make people comfortable, administer meds etc...

Not to be asked to die needlessly over a disease there is no cure.

We haven't had to deal with this sort of thing for close to a century, diseases that are death sentences, but now we do.... we can't just sentence people to death, it is obvious that there is an inability to treat this disease with exposing the professionals that do so. That being the case it has to be on a volunteer basis... this is "above and beyond the call of duty"

It's unfortunate, but if this grows it's victims will have to be placed under strict quarantine, if it gets really bad maybe euthanize

But sending in people without proper gear being available to fluff pillows handle contaminated materials etc is simply unacceptable, it's spreading the disease, it's not "helping" anyone aside from prolonging death which...in all reality might be torture of the poor guy...

sometimes like a bad car accident all you can do is tape off the area so no one runs into it and makes it worse, there are something we just can't control.

originally posted by: dianajune

originally posted by: babybunnies
Reports are coming in that an "extraordinary number" of staff are calling in sick to the New York hospital to avoid having to treat this Ebola patient.

Horrible morals and ethics from a heathcare system that is constantly touted as "the best in the world".

Any worker that called in sick that can't produce a doctor's note (one NOT written by a doctor at the same hospital) should be fired on the basis of their incredibly poor morals and ethics.

If you're working in a job that requires you to look after sick people, you can't pick and choose which sick people you'd like to look after.

This is Ebola, so I can't say that I blame them. These employees have a responsibility to look after their families. What if they were to come down with Ebola and then take it home?

This is NYC....absolutely the worst place in the world to have Ebola, esp. with the number of homeless people in the area, who are vulnerable to a variety of illnesses inc. pneumonia and TB. And now this. Multiply that by the number of subways, buses and cabs x how many people use public transport in the city. This is a recipe for disaster.

Ever since this started in the U.S. with Duncan I've been thinking about my Mom, who died unexpectedly over 10 years ago. She was a nursing student but dropped it before marrying my step-father. I wonder how she would have handled this?

I realize these patients need to be cared for but with the high fatality rate I can't blame everyone who called in sick. Someone else on ATS...can't remember their name....is from the State of NY like me and works in the healthcare system. I think for the state. This person said a message was sent informing staff of a desperate need for volunteers to sign up for Ebola duty (I'm paraphrasing here). And if not enough people signed up, they would be "drafted," so to speak.

This person was supposed to respond by this past Monday. I don't know how this turned out.

Our corporate officers consulted hospital administrators, we told them everyone in the corporation would participate in taking care of suspected Ebola patient(s) if they were to present in our healthcare system. The administrators said at this time they have no plans for us to play a role.

Administrators realize that transferring patients to key locations in the state is much better than 'seeding' too many hospital/systems with patients. We have weekly practice sessions regarding PPE gear. Once a suspected patient is cared for, I wouldn't return to my family for a month just to be safe.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical
I think it's a little weird that Pham mentioned her dog in her release speech and not her boyfriend, but this may just very well be that her boyfriend opted and asked for privacy after his name/condition was released initially. I guess doggy didn't get the option

And I still think the family of Duncan are scared of blowback.

Overall though, all things considered, yes...fishy.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

There was a post earlier that her children were seen since... But not Duncans fiancee herself.

originally posted by: Biotech2024

originally posted by: dianajune

originally posted by: babybunnies
Reports are coming in that an "extraordinary number" of staff are calling in sick to the New York hospital to avoid having to treat this Ebola patient.

Horrible morals and ethics from a heathcare system that is constantly touted as "the best in the world".

Any worker that called in sick that can't produce a doctor's note (one NOT written by a doctor at the same hospital) should be fired on the basis of their incredibly poor morals and ethics.

If you're working in a job that requires you to look after sick people, you can't pick and choose which sick people you'd like to look after.

This is Ebola, so I can't say that I blame them. These employees have a responsibility to look after their families. What if they were to come down with Ebola and then take it home?

This is NYC....absolutely the worst place in the world to have Ebola, esp. with the number of homeless people in the area, who are vulnerable to a variety of illnesses inc. pneumonia and TB. And now this. Multiply that by the number of subways, buses and cabs x how many people use public transport in the city. This is a recipe for disaster.

Ever since this started in the U.S. with Duncan I've been thinking about my Mom, who died unexpectedly over 10 years ago. She was a nursing student but dropped it before marrying my step-father. I wonder how she would have handled this?

I realize these patients need to be cared for but with the high fatality rate I can't blame everyone who called in sick. Someone else on ATS...can't remember their name....is from the State of NY like me and works in the healthcare system. I think for the state. This person said a message was sent informing staff of a desperate need for volunteers to sign up for Ebola duty (I'm paraphrasing here). And if not enough people signed up, they would be "drafted," so to speak.

This person was supposed to respond by this past Monday. I don't know how this turned out.

Our corporate officers consulted hospital administrators, we told them everyone in the corporation would participate in taking care of suspected Ebola patient(s) if they were to present in our healthcare system. The administrators said at this time they have no plans for us to play a role.

Administrators realize that transferring patients to key locations in the state is much better than 'seeding' too many hospital/systems with patients. We have weekly practice sessions regarding PPE gear. Once a suspected patient is cared for, I wouldn't return to my family for a month just to be safe.

I pray you'll never have to face this. Stay safe!!!

OMG nothing more.to say...

originally posted by: gwynnhwyfar

originally posted by: whoreallyknows
Ebola NY Times summary with graph

Here is a good article with timelines and graphs of all the Ebola patients who are treated outside West Africa.

bumping so your link doesn't get lost because your post wound up at the bottom of a page. Good link with good information, timelines and charts.

and for 4days ...

he wandered around having a hayday ...after showing signs of the virus ....

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: jadedANDcynical



There was a post earlier that her children were seen since... But not Duncans fiancee herself.

That was my post. They staged a protest outside Texas Health for not getting correct answers over Duncan's death. It was reported that his children were there. I saw it briefly on the news and then found a small article. Keep in mind the article said "her children were there, reportedly." No one would give names so there's no actual proof her kids were really there.

And Louise was nowhere to be found. Odd, considering it was her fiancee who died.