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Originally posted by tinkortwim
What if it has glimpses of events that may or may not happen due to varying choices made by the human experience, and the choices made by the human experience determine the possible outcome of those particular events?
originally posted by: Joecroft
a reply to: tinkortwim
Originally posted by tinkortwim
What if it has glimpses of events that may or may not happen due to varying choices made by the human experience, and the choices made by the human experience determine the possible outcome of those particular events?
Cool…This is actually close/similar to what I think is more likely to be the case. I think God/Source is more aware of everything at a highest given point, and is therefore able to project ahead of time, i.e. weigh up ALL the variables, so as to more accurately predict the future.
This is just my opinion, but I don’t think God/Source knows everything in an infinite expanding universe, ahead of time; but that it can only project ahead of time, better than anything else. We all have a divine connection to Source/God IMO, so this is what I believe allows us see potential glimpses of the future…
- JC
Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
The same substance as in the same substance and not being filled with anything else for expansion or contraction.
Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
The ''whole'' as in entirety, meaning that humanity is perhaps making hypotheses based on glimpses of the 'now' rather than the before, now and after.
Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
Slow motion for humanity in such that the human experience might be a slow motion observation compared to the greater reality.
Originally posted by tinkortwim
What if there were a select few of whom Source/God shed some more light on those glimpses into the probable foreseeable future?
originally posted by: Nechash
...If one percent of the things I can imagine that have yet to be born into reality can come into being, then there is yet a purpose for continued experience in this physical form. If it is an illusion, then I guess it is time for it to end. Ultimately, there is no reason to build your house on less than sand.
Originally posted by Joecroft, in reply to vethumanbeing’s post…
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how can any entity know everything, if the universe is infinite and expanding…?
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Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
It appears you completely misunderstood the comment. I could reiterate it but you already presumed too much from it and took it as a literal translation of the universe.
I suggest you reread it.
Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
… the fact that humanity has hypothesised the expansion from observation is irrelevant as it is a glimpse of the 'now' rather than the whole,…
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Originally posted by Joecroft
You say it’s a glimpse of the “now“, rather than the whole, but what is the “whole”, in your understanding?
Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
The ''whole'' as in entirety, meaning that humanity is perhaps making hypotheses based on glimpses of the 'now' rather than the before, now and after.
theabsolutetruth: The presumption being ''God'' using humans for ''self expression''. For all you or anyone knows ''God'' could be considering humanity as less than worthy of anything other than contempt.
theabsolutetruth: Additionally it is presumptuous about ''God'' needing vessels for ''self expression''. For all you or anyone knows ''God'' could be the entire dimensional consciousness and humanity irrelevant.Equations cannot be made where all the variables are unknown.
theabsolutetruth: The point is: Neither you nor anyone else knows anything of ''God'' if 'it' exists as a concept, as an energy, as the entire universe, as a being, as a dimension or anything else. Therefore you cannot ask questions based on your presumption of ''God'' nor any of the other questions based on how you think ''God'' operates. Because you do not know the nature of ''God'' or indeed of the greater picture of the Universe.
theabsoluteturth: Your presumption is that of human ego, so you can ask others opinions of your opinion but you should refrain from using your own human ego presumptions as a 'basic premise' on which to base questions upon as if relevant.
...ITS ALWAYS ABOUT ME; why wouldn't it (I am the one point perspective reference) or the one going out on the limb and questioning my existence and how it relates to others experiences with a perceived yet to be disclosed 'god' force. ...
vethumanbeing: ITS ALWAYS ABOUT ME; why wouldn't it (I am the one point perspective reference) or the one going out on the limb and questioning my existence and how it relates to others experiences with a perceived yet to be disclosed 'god' force.
WanDash: It’s Always About Me…How could it not be?
I cannot get in your head…if there is a “you”…with a head.
In conversing with “you”, I must ever deal with whether “you” are as disadvantaged as I (in these questionings)…or, are “you” built-in to the game.
Wandash: Why does it seem we have been cleaved in two…then sewn back together…with a diffractive-buffer placed between?
Is that my religious catechism Horshacking around? Would there be no such question/s…absent early conditioning?
Wandash: A number of times you have referenced “we chose this life/path”.And, at others, that we are supposed to remember…else soul-advancement becomes a long-shot.You say that – you remembered, and are at peace with your given/chosen path.
WanDash: I love to consider everything you write/say… Except, of course, when you’re calling me a coward (since, I am).I would like to think, as Nechash suggested, that our perspective/s are simply too square, and that ‘God’ is hoping that we will find a way out into a whole new world/existence…for ‘God’ to enjoy.Last night, an old thought came to visit… – does the sperm stand knocking at the door of the egg…pleading its case/cause?Who would know that we are not, right now, proposing ooohs, ahhhs, perfect harmony/unison and glorious ever-afters to the only egg in this tunnel?Maybe we could start a Church of The Egg... (if someone-else hasn't already).
originally posted by: Joecroft
a reply to: tinkortwim
Originally posted by tinkortwim
What if there were a select few of whom Source/God shed some more light on those glimpses into the probable foreseeable future?
Well, I guess they would be just like the Prophets in the Old Testament, but in this day and age, probably nobody would take them seriously…In (Acts 2:14-21), it’s states that men will have the ability to prophesy and see visions etc…, in the Last days…
Of course, that verse is actually quoting Joel 2:28-31, and of course the Jews were expecting/believing in an all conquering Messiah in the future (end days; i.e. the “dreadful day of the Lord”) which was to coincide with the pouring out of Gods Spirit; as mentioned in Joel 2:28-31…but of course the pouring out of the Spirit took place at Pentecost…and there was no dreadful day of Lord taking place then…
So perhaps they (Joel) got the pouring out of the Spirit part right, but the end times, “all conquering dreadful day of the Lord”, part wrong…and then in turn, that part of the error (end times) was compounded in Acts 2:14-21 and beyond etc…
- JC
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: akushla99
originally posted by: veteranhumanbeing
akushla99: Nice question.
As expression in sim cities, we're more like unattended avatars (you've alluded to this VHB)...I dislike the analogy, but, the hardware takes its own course - evolving, developing, mutating...the software has built-in fuzzz that ignites on contact with catalysing 'other' expressions (maybe split personalities competing for ir/rational moments)
Unattended avatars; to be sure but the combined created 2D images/3D sculptures do the job describing as self expression. Deconstruct the hardware before it has a chance to duplicate/multiplies. Split personalities trying to find their whole or original source material.
akushla99: - I don't think the experiment is over by a long shot, dimensionwise...the conditions have always been there for 'random' acts of destruction of epic scale (blue marble style) and it may come to pass, but I think you're on the money with the sense of abandonment, maroonededness...CEO doesn't actually 'check-in', doesn't need to...generals and underlings are in attendance...they're playing a percentages game on the CEOs behalf, not so much tipping scales (like fundies would have us think)...slow and steady winning the race, gotta know our ABCs before writing that Ancient Mariner tale...too much information racing through brains...Walt had it down Aesop style (maybe reincarnate - Grimm not so much) I see myself as Goofy.
I don't think 'god' is done with this experiment; I just contemplate some obvious lacking of major INFORMATION bullit points: Its become less of a 'Dallas' rerun and more of a revamping the series (yes it happened), and as soap operas go, start killing off the characters for its own entertainment out of boredom. It is a truism, when incarnating we do not get a 'procedural manual' but instead something else (if truly lost) a bible. CEO will never check in; TOO EASY, thinks the answer is within us (its called sure to befuddle/mystify the seacher hunting for truths you have to invent/decipher all by yourself). Walt was a genius, no doubt and left so many clues (not dropping bread crumbs or corn variety). The generals take charge in absence of a leader, as the Romans conquered the known world with those they enslaved along the way (such irony). One of the brothers Grimm should have married Mother Goose; I wonder what the next generation of fairy tails would evolve from that collaboration? I do not see you as Goofy; more the Senior Stag, (Bambi's dad) "Oh that clean lush meadow of innocence FOOD can't possibly be dangerous" or the Fox character (I can at least get one over on a wooden boy that's trying to be human) Pinocchio; (definitely not Mr. Starbucks from Moby Dick). Fables; Aesop style, more parable like (Psalms); yes, Walt was a great re-interpreter of these. We both understand the blue marble for sure.
Yes its just as well Bambi's 'dad-stag' never had to wear the human 'classic' footwear of the day (someone was smart enough to allow them to grow their own feet)(horses would argue with their version; as one still can pick up a random stone and no built in hoof pick to remove it). Bullet points to be sure are hunting seasons best metaphor for the 'fastest way ever to becoming enlightened' (probably an unfortunate accident wrong place at the wrong time); no farmer to paint in latex letters sideways ("COW").
akushla99: Bullet points looking like a lace-up boot - taking too long to don, lace and adjust...damned stone in the heel, leather's burning my ankle, toes cramped in the Classic Toe style du jour.
akushla99: It is said that you can't tickle yourself (not you VHB) - finding delight or surprise in the juxtopositions, mixing snakes-and-ladders, monopoly and 24D chess...or, ruling lines in a blank page book and not keeping faith with the constrict we created, but penned, instead of using a Steadler 4B...can't rub that ink out...white-out's messy...tear the pages, start a new book?...maybe where the last one left off - or make it Lynch-style and out of order.
akushla99: Self-expression misnomers or misunderstandings? Tickle-me Elmos (mechanical kind) elicit response - sometimes uncontrolled...I know I laugh...even when I press the button - maybe crude bum jokes are more 'someones' style...I know I laugh, even though I know there is no joke - may just be the machinery kicking in?
akushla99: No 'procedural' manual - indeed...seems like too many variables heaped upon individuated splinters of ME...I'd let the program RUN...see how I can communicate what I know/feel/experience in whatever way 'that' water finds its own path...watch the sand running through my fingers...create rocks I cannot lift, HA HA...just for fun/old times' sake...
Aren't we all the sleuth, finding the gems we hid years ago (but forgot)...SURPRISE and delight all in one.
theabsolutetruth: A typically garbled and egotistical reply.
Basically you do not know anything of ''God'' so you should refrain from pretending anything otherwise.
I never claimed to nor suggested my permission is required for such questions. I am pointing out the error in your question. It cannot be answered because it is based on falseties from your imagination.
theabsolutetruth: If you had asked how others perceive ''God'' as a comparative to your imagined perception I wouldn't even mention it but basically you said ''here's my imagination's idea of ''god'', now do you think ''god'' has stopped behaving like this?'' which is an irrelevant question as it is based upon your imagination.