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originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: knoledgeispower
yeah...i'm not sure i buy this..
where are these heavy metals coming from?
the only things present in the vapor are the e-liquid's constituent elements, which would be water, flavoring, nicotine, and either propylene glycol, vegetable glycerine, or both....there aren't any heavy metals in those things...unless they're using REALLY funky water...
and when you exhale, it's water vapor, and trace amounts of the e-liquid's constituent elements....
this really does sound like a bogus, bought study, done by the tobacco industry, to try and scare people away from E-cigs...
I can admit I know nothing about ecigs because I have 0 interest in smoking. I do think people who smoke, especially in this day & age, are the ignorant/arrogant ones for smoking.
originally posted by: knoledgeispower
I can admit I know nothing about ecigs because I have 0 interest in smoking. I do think people who smoke, especially in this day & age, are the ignorant/arrogant ones for smoking.
For those who remained civil, I thank you. For those who didn't, it's a shame your parents taught you nothing about manners. What does name calling accomplish? For starters, it makes you look like a tool who has 0 argument so the only thing you can do is name call. Second, wait that's actually the only thing.
"To sum it up: Pick your poison, they are both bad for you & people around you."
It doesn't matter that ecigs don't emit smoke, they still emit vapors & those vapors are what have the toxins & metals in them. That is a fact, not propaganda. Just because they used the word smoke instead of vapor, doesn't mean that the toxins & metals being released, aren't being released.
Are you not getting the point OP? ECIGS ARE TEN TIMES SAFER then a conventional cigarettes for the person vaping AND for the person second hand vaping.
originally posted by: knoledgeispower
To save time, I put everyone's response into one thread. Find your name & read the response. ((Although it would be helpful to read all responses, even if it's not to you))
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a reply to: starfoxxx
also OP if you read nickel, zince, and lead, are found in conventional cigarettes also..
Yes I read how there are higher amounts of Nickel, zinc & lead than that found in conventional cigarettes. Good to know you can read.
Acting like ecigs are not a safer alternative to conventional cigarettes is dumb..
Acting like it's no big deal that the toxins & metals in ecigs is still dangerous, even though it's not as bad as conventional cigarettes is dumb.
How can you competently say ahahahahaah gotcha ecgis baaaaaaaaad ecigs baaaaad ban them ban them..
what a moron
get a grip
I can competently say they are bad because there are still toxins & metals found in ecigs, therefore it is bad. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that toxins & metals are bad for you. You call me the moron, you are the one who needs to get a grip.
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a reply to: TheMistro81
Not meaning you, but in general, most people on ATS ask for proof for arguments & they say if you don't provide the proof, you have nothing.
I would be happy to go point by point, and lay it all out for everyone, but there is simply too much to go over
I can admit I know nothing about ecigs because I have 0 interest in smoking. I do think people who smoke, especially in this day & age, are the ignorant/arrogant ones for smoking.
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a reply to: darkwarrior
If the article doesn't say what kind of ecig was used, you will have to look at the article in the journal it was published in.
Particulate Metals and Organic Compounds from Electronic and Tobacco-containing Cigarettes: Comparison of Emission Rates and Secondhand Exposure
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a reply to: DogMeat
the OP did his best....give him that.
I hate it when people assume gender. I'm a woman.
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a reply to: CoherentlyConfused
I see the propaganda has infiltrated nicely into the masses. Ecigarettes do not emit smoke
It doesn't matter that ecigs don't emit smoke, they still emit vapors & those vapors are what have the toxins & metals in them. That is a fact, not propaganda. Just because they used the word smoke instead of vapor, doesn't mean that the toxins & metals being released, aren't being released.
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a reply to: SummerLightning
this is obviously the go-to thread for accurate information.
This is the go-to thread for hardly an argument against the topic on hand.
"They don't produce smoke. Case closed" I don't think so Tim. While yes there is no smoke, there are still vapors & within those vapors are toxins & metals.
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a reply to: TheMistro81
See the above response.
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a reply to: Jomina
Where is the lead, cadmium, nickel and zinc?
Not sure but this is what the study says in the journal it was published in.
Implementing quality control protocols on the manufacture of e-cigarettes would further minimize the emission of metals from these devices and improve their safety and associated health effects.
Particulate Metals and Organic Compounds from Electronic and Tobacco-containing Cigarettes: Comparison of Emission Rates and Secondhand Exposure
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a reply to: lightedhype
Nice try with your disinfo there OP. Try to find a not biased source for your drivel.
I thought it was a good try too, posting from a credible source. Sharing an article that clearly states that there are toxins & metals in ecigs, despite most of the amounts being less than conventional cigs, doesn't mean I'm trying to share disinfo. After all, they are still facts.
Also, stating that toxins & metals like chromium are bad for you isn't drivel.
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a reply to: Urantia1111
Where in the world would metals come from in this vapor?? Isn't it just nicotine and water with flavoring??
Gee I don't know, maybe the metal from the device being used to smoke the liquid? Really? Come on now.
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a reply to: rival
You can't lump all e-cigs into one study and then cite that ONE study.
E-cigs manufacturers are numerous--likewise for the e-cig liquid
manufacturers. You'd have to test each one independently, or all
of them as a whole, to get any significant results.
As I am not the one conducting the study, I don't know how it was done. I don't know if they only used one ecig & one egic liquid or if they tested a lot more. Maybe in the full article that was published in the journal it will say, I would think you would need to include that in your study but I'm not 100% sure.
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For those who remained civil, I thank you. For those who didn't, it's a shame your parents taught you nothing about manners. What does name calling accomplish? For starters, it makes you look like a tool who has 0 argument so the only thing you can do is name call. Second, wait that's actually the only thing.
Aside from saying "derp, derpa, derp, it must be false because no smoke is actually released from ecigs" and/or "derp, derpa, derp, it must be false because big tobacco companies don't want ecigs to replace regular cigs" Does anyone have actual evidence to back them up? Can anyone show me evidence that says "the toxins & metals from ecigs is not harmful?"
Yes, ecigs aren't as bad as cigs but they are still bad. They are still releasing toxins & metals, which still is not good for you. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that toxins & metals are not good for you. Ergo I stand by my original statement:
"To sum it up: Pick your poison, they are both bad for you & people around you."
Are you not getting the point OP? ECIGS ARE TEN TIMES SAFER then a conventional cigarettes for the person vaping AND for the person second hand vaping.
It IS MARVELOUS for people ADDICTED TO conventional cigarettes to be ABLE to switch to a electronic cig and it be MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH safer then a burning tobacco cigarette. Why can't you be praising the good health effects of the ecig? The good health benefits regardless of your bias opinion your study you posted admitted IT IS MUCH SAFER THEN conventional cigs.. Think of all the lives that can be SAVED, are you ignorant to this>?? This is a good thing it can SAVE LIVES.. GET REAL OP.. stop your bs
originally posted by: Lyxdeslic
This doesn't surprise me.
My boyfriend did the e-cig thing for a little while, and the smell of it made me me gag. To me, it had a really strange, familiar smell... And it wasn't until he was weeks from quitting that it clicked in my head that when he blew the air out, it smelled like the medication in inhalers. I immediately told him to get rid of it. If you're smoking something that smells like a medication it's probably not good for you.
He pulled the "I'm addicted to it," line and didn't quit til later on, but I stayed away from it.
originally posted by: knoledgeispower
You aren't getting the point, just because it is a bit safer than conventional cigarets doesn't matter, it is still NOT good for you, period!!!!!!!!!!! I'm getting real tired of repeating myself. Unless people start responding with proof, I will not be responding back.
You get real & stop the b.s. Once again no one has provided any evidence that counters my claim. I'm always told on ATS that if you are going to argue against something, you must provide proof & NO BODY has done so. Ergo I still stand by my claim.