SC police beat man in Walmart as horrified shoppers beg officers to stop

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: 00nunya00

I like cookies. I have found when people prompt other to learn it comes off as weakness in the argument. That being said both sides right and left have bought into the lie. Paul was the only one standing alone and it showed.


Progressive ideals rule this society and it is a sickness. We can argue symptoms all day but until we argue the disease nothing will be solved.

Actually no. Both parties — and Ron Paul for that matter — are neoliberal.

originally posted by: DaphneApollo
Now, the rest of the story.

A man, later identified as Sandon Matthew Sierad, stood at an electronics checkout counter for approximately 10 minutes and never attempted to make a purchase.

Sierad waited until an employee walked away from the cash register and he walked behind the counter and removed a cash box from underneath the register before being confronted by management.

Management advised Sierad he needed to leave the property and he was escorted to the front of the store.

Once at the front of the store, Sierad entered the Hair Salon area rather than leaving as ordered by Walmart management. Sierad got into an altercation with employees inside the Salon and still refused to leave the business.

Sierad eventually walked out of the Salon and exited Walmart. Due to Sierad’s erratic behavior, the employees of the Salon were afraid for their safety and closed and locked the security gate. Sierad attempted to come back inside the Salon after he had already exited Walmart. Sierad stated to an employee as he was walking back in the store that he had a bomb but was not found to be in possession of any explosive device at the time of arrest.

An employee at the Hair Salon calls 911 at 1:10 pm regarding Sierad causing a disturbance.

Sierad exited Walmart a second time and is seen walking to his White Dodge pickup truck which was parked in the parking lot close to the entrance/exit doors.

Link

A lot went on before this video in the OP...

I found it comforting that the lady taking the video was asking the police to stop hitting him in the head. She was very concerned for a fellow human no matter the race.

Thanks for the link. Anyone that is interested in looking at both sides of this story should go read it.

The official report ends with this:

Upon arrival of a third deputy they were able to gain control of Sierad and secure him into handcuffs. He was taken out to the patrol car and continued to resist deputies who were trying to secure him in the rear of the patrol car. Deputies had to secure his feet in a hobble restraint to gain control of him. He was transported by EMS to a local hospital for evaluation before being placed into the Greenville County Detention Center.

Read more: www.wyff4.com...

Apparently there is a lot of video available, from multiple sources and angles, to corroborate this story.



Dex

That is just sickening. I understand the guy was apparently intoxicated and not cooperating, so physical force by the cops would be justified up to the point where they have him neutralized and in cuffs. Tasing a guy until he;s down, then punching him in the head as he is helpless, is completely inexcusable. I seriously hope these guys get professionally crucified. People this aggressive and violent should never be allowed to carry a badge.

The response from Washington has been pathetic. This isn't just a Ferguson MO or SC problem, this is a nationwide problem. Cops everywhere are behaving like Gestapo.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
Not to say they could not have handled it better, but the guy was resisting. I have no sympathy for him. Had he been compliant I would scream for their badges.

I agree with you on this one. This guy was seriously resisting. If the Deputies official statement is corroborated, I would also go so far as to say the deputy under investigation was acting with considerable restraint. Remember the "good old" baton days? He could have busted this dude's head like a pimple.

After looking at the video several times, I'd say this officer was giving this boy some love taps to distract him. If anyone is interested in what real punishment looks like, Google some good videos using the keywords: ground and pound.


Dex

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
We should hold off on determining who is at fault until the investigation is done. I for one would like to know what the issue was and ultimately if the person was either having a medical reason for his actions or was it due to that he was either drunk or on something.

While it may seem to be excessive, however, if the person was on something at the time, tazer's may not work to stop the person, or he may not feel the punch's that he took. The problem here ultimately is 2 fold.

The first is that people feel they do not have to comply with officers. They resist, they refuse, they end up making the officers job 10 times harder. What if this person was on something, like meth or drunk, what would be the response if this person attacked, harmed or hit a person in a vehicle?

The second is that the police at times are a bit heavy handed, they are having to do a thankless job, and ultimately, there are times that they have to put their lives on the line, or deal with the most stupid of all calls. They deal with alot of stress about being on the job, and ultimately a few who get high on the power and authority they are given to weld.

Ultimately before we condemn the officer, we should wait for the investigation, including the answer as to why the person was acting the way he was. If he was high or drunk, then this may not be a case of police brutality.

What color is the sky on your planet?
How can you not see that punching someone in the head isn't correct behavior for a police officer?
"...a bit heavy handed"? No, heavy-fisted.
"... he may not feel the punch's that he took." But I'm betting the results of those punches will show up when he's being examined in the hospital.

Some of you need to read this slowly so you will understand. Arresting criminals who may or may not resist is part of a cop's job. They are supposedly trained in how to do this. No matter what the person being arrested did, or how much they resist it DOES NOT WARRANT being beaten. Especially not in the head after they are already on the ground.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS. none.

It does not matter if they were high. It does not matter if they were rude. It does not matter if they were not complying. NO EXCUSE.

Police brutality goes much deeper than just bad cops. A coworker of mine believes, and will openly tell anyone, that anyone resisting arrest should be promptly shot in the head. I'm sure he's not the only one in this country that thinks that. This is a cultural problem, not a police problem.

a reply to: southbeach

Nope.. News will be like mma fighter shot dead...

I would like to see ANYBODY get tazed and repeatedly punched in the head without "resisting"

It is a natural instinct to protect yourself when you are getting beaten. Did the cops really expect him to sprawl out, expose all of his critical areas and just lay there and let them beat the hell out of him?

The LEO's job is to detain, or arrest this person. Nowhere in the job description is "Beat the living tar out of people".

If they can't manage to do their job, they should not have that job. This crap needs to end yesterday.

Yup detain as other have said already. At no point is there a reason to punch the guy that's not helping detain him, in fact it's making it hard to detain him. People are afraid of getting hurt, sometimes the reaction is to fight back no matter the logic or actions that happened be for hand.

They are given tools and training to hold the criminal in question. If they fail to use or are unable to use the tools or training they need to be retained or removed, more likely removed.

It's a sad state this nation has gotten in to, no matter when people think it all started or own started it, I don't think we'll see the end of this anytime soon unless something drastic happens.

a reply to: XTexan

Police brutality goes much deeper than just bad cops. A coworker of mine believes, and will openly tell anyone, that anyone resisting arrest should be promptly shot in the head. I'm sure he's not the only one in this country that thinks that. This is a cultural problem, not a police problem.

^^^This.... Exactly!

a reply to: Antipathy17

No. They won't.
It will be the usual "administrative leave" while they "initiate an investigation to get to the truth" and we all know the cop will "be found justified in his use of force". All those buzz words mean one thing, They're going to cover for each other, no matter what and they know their chances of getting away with it are a million to one in their favor.

a reply to: alienjuggalo

This Police Officer is taking the 'Happy Slapping' Gang Initiation a bit too far.

But seriously it's surprising how many Cops keep doing this type of thing when there are cameras everywhere to record it all. The guy may have been drunk but he wasn't fighting the Cop, looked like he resisted arrest a slight bit but not enough to warrant getting punched in the head like that.

originally posted by: Jakal26
a reply to: XTexan

Police brutality goes much deeper than just bad cops. A coworker of mine believes, and will openly tell anyone, that anyone resisting arrest should be promptly shot in the head. I'm sure he's not the only one in this country that thinks that. This is a cultural problem, not a police problem.

^^^This....

Exactly!

I too will cheers to that!
RIP Basic Morals

a reply to: 00nunya00

totally understand...

Was thinking about Miranda Rights and how maybe reading those first, before acting

I would also go so far as to say the deputy under investigation was acting with considerable restraint.

That must be a joke but it's not even funny.

"considerable restraint" ? Would hate to see what no restraint is. Oh right, that shot in the back or while in cuffs.

This has got to stop!

My son, although not beaten, was abused by local sheriffs in Charles Co, MD. He and a friend were stopped by sheriffs (rightly so) for being out on the streets during schools hours and obviously under age for smoking. But then, because my son said something the sheriff didn't like, he was thrown to the ground and had a boot placed on his neck. Really!? For smoking?! By they way, he's white. I don't donate to them anymore.

originally posted by: xDeadcowx
I would like to see ANYBODY get tazed and repeatedly punched in the head without "resisting"

It is a natural instinct to protect yourself when you are getting beaten. Did the cops really expect him to sprawl out, expose all of his critical areas and just lay there and let them beat the hell out of him?

The LEO's job is to detain, or arrest this person. Nowhere in the job description is "Beat the living tar out of people".

If they can't manage to do their job, they should not have that job. This crap needs to end yesterday.

Just read story about young skateboarder getting tazed by police officer...look for here on ATS today


Now back to solutions legally possibly

What if the officer is told they are under arrest, and read their miranda warnings and allowed to just continue with their arrest in progress, long as they do not break any laws and presumed innocent, until proven guilty and by declaring a citizens arrest by the witnesses, would be a cease and desist free and allow the officer to make their arrest, long as their is no more acts that may be considered life threatening or endangerment to society, where actually would require force and restraint.

An Extreme example: officer is caught assaulting and raping a minor child and when confronted , the officer says, they are taking the child into custody for shoplifting (suspicion) and placing the minor child under arrest.

Now...

Would there be a legal way to arrest them for their crime that is witnessed, and intervene and remedy and arrest the officer on the spot, for a greater crime, then shoplifting and what is the procedure prescribed by law, if so?

You have the right to remain silent when questioned.

Anything you say or do may be used against you in a court of law. (Modern readings have can and will in place of may)

You have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police and to have an attorney present during questioning now or in the future.

If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you before any questioning, if you wish.

If you decide to answer any questions now, without an attorney present, you will still have the right to stop answering at any time until you talk to an attorney.

Knowing and understanding your rights as I have explained them to you, are you willing to answer my questions without an attorney present?

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I expect there to be protests and riots because of this.........

*crickets, crickets*

Just saying

If the lack of response from the public doesnt make it clear the agenda behind some of these things , then I dont know what does......

That was my first thought. If this had been an African American suspect it would be all over the news right now. It's good to see that some police officers will beat you regardless of race.

That said, people need to remember that police officers are hired off the street like anyone else and that any one of us with a college degree and the ability to pass a physical fitness test can apply to become an officer. Once hired, you are trained to protect yourself and others at all times and to never let your guard down. Sometimes they can go overboard but if you felt that your own safety might be jeopardized, you may react the same way. I realize that this guy did not seem to be a threat to anyone but you never know.