Powerful message on Gaza by the MSM !!

originally posted by: demus


the Jews are not a problem and never were.



Jews were living in the region before there was Israel.



There are many cases where an ethnic or religious minority and sometimes large minority is -wait-for-it NOT HAVING it's own STATE!



In the following video Jews say who they think is responsible for the problem that is Israel-Palestine:

I wonder what those supporting Israels actions have to say after watching this video, my guess is it will be ignored.

The truth is clear Judaism does not support a state of Israel! This is blasphemy according to the Torah. I suppose it is to difficult for people to undestand this, when they have fallen for the lies that have led them to support genocide. Cognitive dissonance is a mofo!

a reply to: ISeekTruth101


That was a truly powerful report.

These children could be any of our children.

a reply to: demus

Anti-war does NOT equal anti-state. I am still not noticing a big exodus of jews who believe that the state of Isreal should not exist, out of Isreal.

We seem to be talking at cross purposes here.

I am speaking for the existance of the state of Isreal. You are discussing the current situation where Isreal is responding brutally to minor attacks.

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: stumason

Are you aware that the UN Partition Plan was accepted by the Jewish delegation in Palestine and unanimously rejected by the Arab delegation at the time?

Israel then declared itself a state within the borders established by the UN. Exactly one day later, the Arab delegation advised approximately 700,000 Palestinians to vacate the area in advance of a military invasion to destroy Israel, assuring them the right to return after they "push the Jews into the sea".

After Israel won the war, 700,000 Palestinians were displaced as a result.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Wow. I cannot believe what am I reading here. First of all, Israel didn't invade Palestine. Thank UK for that. Not Israel. Once they got country, and once all Arab countries decided to expel Jews from their lands, where else could they went? And it happened 70 years ago, get over it.

For the last time.
Israel DID NOT attack first. Hammas DID. So like you said in your previous post, Palestine elected Hammas, so when Hammas attacked first, then I'm guessing it had support from Palestine people, right? So it wasn't an act of terrorism, but act of war? Thank you, that was all i needed to hear.

Can you post the date and circumstances around what you believe to be the "first" attack? I suppose you will say Israel was defending itself in '67 too right. The fact is Israel attacked first but I am sure you have a totally fabricated fairy tale about how Israel just wants to exist... on other nations land.

President Gamal Abdel Nasse preached daily how the Arab states were going to wipe the Jews from the face of the planet and continued to mass troops and were positioning them on the borders. Israel did the best thing in their interest and did a preemptive strike against the amassing forces. Threatening to destroying a state and following up with troop movement is considered an act of war. Israel had every right to defend herself against the actions of the Arab states whom have verbally stated (since their inception) they will destroy every Jew.

You say "FREE PALESTINE" and I agree with you. They need to be freed from the influence from their Arab overlords and unite with Israelis and make peace. They can share the wealth of the democratic nation rather than try and destroy it.

originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: stumason

Much of the original state of Isreal was in fact, purchased by Jewish people. But the arabs did fear the establishment of a jewish state in the heart of an arab world.

In 1948 when the UN granted partition and created Isreal, many people in palistine fled, fearing isreali military. Does fleeing mean you are denied your land forever? Even if you were never the registered property owner?

They fled because they were forced to flee or suffer death.. Even when some did start fleeing, the Zionists still killed them anyway. Here's a few examples of what this disgusting movement done.

Zionist massacres

YEHIDA MASSACRE

13 December 1947 (Palestine) : men of the Arab village of Yehiday (near Petah Tekva, the first Zionist settlement to be established) met at the local coffee house when they saw a British Army patrol enter the village, they were reassured especially that Jewish terrorists had murdered 12 Palestinians the previous day.

The four cars stopped in front of the cafe house and out stepped men dressed in khaki uniforms and steel helmets. However, it soon became apparent that they had not come to protect the villagers.

With machine guns they sprayed bullets into the crowd gathered in the coffee house. Some of the invaders placed bombs next to Arab homes while other disguised terrorists tossed grenades at civilians. For a while it seemed as if the villagers would be annihilated but soon a real British patrol arrived to foil the well organized killing raid. The death toll of 7 Arab civilans could have been much higher.

A description of the massacre of the Semiramis Hotel from the United Nations Documents follows, as well as the Palestinian Police report on the crime sent to the Colonial Office in London:

January 5, 1948. Haganah terrorists made a most barbarous attack at one o’clock in the early morning of Monday…at the Semiramis Hotel in the Katamon section of Jerusalem, killing innocent people and wounding many. The Jewish Agency terrorist forces blasted the entrance to the hotel by a small bomb and then placed bombs in the basement of the building. As a result of the explosion the whole building collapsed with its residents. As the terrorists withdrew, they started shooting at the houses in the neighborhood. Those killed were: Subhi El-Taher, Moslem; Mary Masoud, Christian; Georgette Khoury, Christian; Abbas Awadin, Moslem; Nazira Lorenzo, Christian; Mary Lorenzo, Christian; Mohammed Saleh Ahmed, Moslem; Ashur Abed El Razik Juma, Moslem; Ismail Abed El Aziz, Moslem; Ambeer Lorenzo, Christian; Raof Lorenzo, Christian; Abu Suwan Christian family, seven members, husband, wife, and five children.

NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE

13-14 April 1948(Palestine) : a contingent of Lehi and Irgon entered this village (near Tiberias) entered the village on the night of 13 April dressed as Arab fighters. Upon their entrance to the village the people went out to greet them, the terrorists met them with fire, killing every single one of them. Only 40 people survived. All the houses of the village were raised to the ground.

And here's some of them up until 1953. Obviously there are many more also.

The King David Massacre
The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh
Yehida Massacre
Khisas Massacre
QAZAZA MASSACRE
The Semiramis Hotel Massacre
The Massacre at Dair Yasin
NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE
THE TANTURA MASSACRE
BEIT DARAS MASSACRE
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
DAWAYMA MASSACRE
HOULA MASSACRE
SHARAFAT MASSACRE
Salha Massacre
The Massacre at Qibya

They didn't leave because the felt afraid, the left (The one's who survived) because they were being murdered right in front of each others eyes by a bunch of thugs.

a reply to: Humanity4Ever

you know what else Ben Gurion declared before the Partition plan

"concentrate the masses of our people in this country [Palestine] and its environs."
"The Jewish state now being offered to us is not the Zionist objective. [...] But it can serve as a decisive stage along the path to greater Zionist implementation. It will consolidate in Palestine, within the shortest possible time, the real Jewish force, which will lead us to our historic goal"

what goal?

In a discussion in the Jewish Agency he said that he wanted a Jewish-Arab agreement "on the assumption that after we become a strong force, as a result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine."

Ben was the first Prime Minister of Israel.

Dont get me wrong i dont respect or approve the actions of Hamas but it seems to me that Israel wants all of Palestine to it's self. Both sides want the other side out.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101

250k kids under the age of 10? Maybe the Gazans should stop breeding like rabbits. If they are intelligent enough to launch rockets into Israel they should be intelligent enough to know the consequences of unfettered reproduction in an area that cannot support it. Even the most basic of a human being knows that if you insert a penis into a vagina and this ejaculate into a vagina a child most likely will be the result. This goes for the rest of the third world as well!

a reply to: Humanity4Ever

Indeed, but what gives Israel the right to then seize the rest of the land and deny the right to return to those Arab's displaced? Israel has continuously encroached (with it's settlers that are unanimously condemned around the world as illegal) on what little land the Arabs had over the past 60-70 years to the point where a two state solution isn't even viable now.

The only real solution would be for Palestine and Israel to merge, for Israel to drop the whole "Jewish" thing and just become a normal country.. That won't ever happen though because both sides have their idiots.

It may have been said elsewhere on the thread but the UK MSM has to my 36 year old knowledge, always been slightly biased towards Palestine. The Beeb even got a hand slap from Ofcom for its pro Palestinian tone a few years back if I remember right.

I think thats why you'll find the majority of media or celebrity personalities come out in support of Gaza over here. Theres not as many high profile Jews or supportes of Israel that stick their necks out; they'd be in the overwhelming minority.

a reply to: stumason

Israel did absorb the Arabs that didn't flee during the War Of Independence in 1948. They have since multiplied to represent 30% of the population of Israel.

"Islam: What the West needs to know"
This so not about Gaza or even Israel.
If Mr Snow would digest this film, He would reconsider his plea.

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a reply to: Humanity4Ever

Uh-huh - the ones that didn't flee and weren't attacked by Jewish extremists in one of the many massacres, that is. They are also a marginalised portion of the population and regularly complain about discrimination from their Jewish majority.

But what about those forced from their land during the crisis? Again, they should have the right to return, as any refugee does, to their homes. Instead, Israel stole them then proceeded to spend the next 70 years stealing what land remained, piece by piece, until the Arabs were herded into to tiny little ghettos.

Again, I really don't see why there had to be a "Jewish" state at all. Why not just create a new state out of both entities and have it run like any other modern democracy?

originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
The Iron Dome does not negate the Israeli government's responsibility to respond to incessant missile attacks on their civilian population.

As for the tragic loss of civilian life in Gaza during this conflict, many of those deaths could have been avoided if Hamas accepted one of the many sustainable cease fire proposals put forth by Egypt last week, and didn't use deplorable tactics that intentionally put civilians in danger.

No they dont because bombing Gaza is the exact same as firing a machine gun at a cage full of baby tigers of whom one scratched a spectator because he came too close to the cage.

a reply to: stumason

In your zeal to propose an impossible solution to the middle east crisis, have you forgotten the 1.25 million jews expelled from arab countries with their land and properties confiscated? Do they have the right of return and compensation?

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Of course - not that they would, they have a pretty sweet life in Israel I should think, as Israel welcomes in anyone who can prove their Jewishness.

I'm not sure why you trying to paint me as one sided - zeal? - I'm not anti-Semitic, I don't dislike Jews, I just find the whole situation totally absurd.

About time someone speaks up on the media/news relevant to the horror going on. Someone mentioned that why should we feel sorry for a weaker nation....why? Because that would be the "human" compassionate thing to do. They do not have military might. This crap about Hamas gets old too. What do we really know relevant to it all other than what most biased media tells us...that is why when someone actually reports in an honest and intelligent manner, it is surprising but it is needed greatly! How do we know that Hamas isn't infiltrated with agent provocateurs that are making things worse.

How do we know every "shot" that Israel takes really comes from Hamas? Remember, "By way of deception, make war". How often are "lesser Jewish immigrants" placed on border settlements and when attacked, there is a big outrage...yet, we have no way of knowing that perhaps sometimes, those folks are being attacked from Zionist factions and Gaza folks are being blamed. Even some Jews in Israel are protesting against the slaughter.

Gaza folks are out gunned. Israel has a huge military arsenal in comparison.

Protests are taking place the world over against Israeli actions. Israel is quickly loosing favor in the eyes of the world for very good reasons. So many people can't be wrong and why do apologists for Israel think they are "so right" always and do no wrong. There are no angels on either side of this mess....just some that are way more armed and enjoying the kill.

a reply to: shrevegal

See this is the problem. Even you can't differentiate the enemy (Hamas) from the Palestinian people. You label them as "Gaza Folk".

Gaza folks are out gunned. Israel has a huge military arsenal in comparison.

a reply to: Nikola014
Totally deluded mate, so you are.
kill as many kids as you want, its all the fault of Hamas no doubt, they started it all.
Whats going on is not short of Genocide.
Radicalized Zionists claiming to be victims in the bloodbath of purposely targetting facilities filled with children.

originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: h_jordan

So how many proposals must be on the table before HAMAS stops attacking Isreal and then screaming to the world of jewish brutality?

Would that be 2, 10 or 1000?

Tired of Control Freaks

first of all Hamas didn't accuse Jews of anything, it is Israel (Zionist Leaders of Israel) not Jews, and not the Israeli people, in fact most of the world Jews are against Israel and support a free Palestine, you know that am sure so stop the stupid propaganda, it does not work and it is not fooling anybody anymore, Israel attacked Gaza because both Palestinian sides Hamas and the Palestinian authorities in the west bank agreed and formed a united government which automatically frees Hamas from the "terrorist organization" label, and puts the responsibility on the Israelis shoulders to grant Palestinians their full rights in a free country

to answer your sarcastic question: ONE TRUCE,
Palestinians in Gaza want a truce proposal that will guarantee the following:

Withdrawal of Israeli tanks from the Gaza border.

Freeing all the prisoners that were arrested after the killing of the three youths.

Lifting the siege and opening the border crossings to commerce and people.

Establishing an international seaport and airport which would be under U.N. supervision.

Increasing the permitted fishing zone to 10 kilometers.

Internationalizing the Rafah Crossing and placing it under the supervision of the U.N. and some Arab nations.

International forces on the borders.

Easing conditions for permits to pray at the Al Aqsa Mosque.

Prohibition on Israeli interference in the reconciliation agreement.

Reestablishing an industrial zone and improvements in further economic development in the Gaza Strip.

seems legit, now answer my question why Israeli cabinet rejected Kerry's proposal?!!