As an expat in Saudi, I can't help but notice these

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It is the same agenda that any organization with occult teaching has and is found right throughout the mystery religions, namely: "on the day you eat fruit from that tree. You will see what you have done, and you will know the difference between right and wrong, just as God does." The woman stared at the fruit. It looked beautiful and tasty. She wanted the wisdom that it would give her, and she ate some of the fruit or variations thereof. The agenda is to bring the whole world to this so called "enlightenment" and usher in the incarnation of the so called "light bearer" himself, the prince of darkness, lucifer, satan, antichrist.

a reply to: Cinrad

Oh, I see. It is more of this Lucifer/Satan/Tooth Fairy bulls***.

Why do you believe in Satan?

originally posted by: ketsuko
What would you have us do about it? Forcibly convert or behead Jews who refuse to acknowledge Christ as the Messiah? It's the tactic ME Muslims are taking toward Christians right now when it comes to Mohammad, and we did try that during the Inquisition. It didn't work out so well

The inquisitors were not working out of Christian charity, they were working for the Roman Catholic church, they persecuted Christians and Jews, anyone who would not bow to their authority and accept their yoke of oppression. Do not attribute the inquisition or the Crusades or any other acts of the Roman Catholic church to Christians please, it is offensive.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Oh, you are more of the humanist type of mason? You believe in the power of yourself? And freemasonry is just a great value system that allows you to better yourself?

I'm not sure what your question means. But satan is a liar, you cannot be a good person through your own will, sooner or later, some time or other you choose the "dark side" and rather than accepting it as just part of what a man is, the fact is you should die for your error.

Rom 6:16 Don't you know that you are slaves of anyone you obey? You can be slaves of sin and die, or you can be obedient slaves of God and be acceptable to him.

1Co_15:57 But thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Co_2:14 Now thanks be to God, who always causes us to triumph in Christ, and He revealing through us the odor of the knowledge of Him in every place.

originally posted by: Cinrad
Oh, you are more of the humanist type of mason? You believe in the power of yourself? And freemasonry is just a great value system that allows you to better yourself?

I certainly do not believe in the power of Satan.

I'm not sure what your question is.

The question was simple. Why do you believe in Satan?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

We are derailing here, perhaps on another thread.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Cinrad
...freemasonry is just one of many organizations working to further the agenda of the Illuminati.

What is that 'agenda'? Please be specific.

Good luck on that. I predict repetition of oft-debunked 'proof'

Fitz

a reply to: johndeere2020 salam

there is one most important thing about SA.

They are building a tower higher than the house of allah.

and that seems to be very similar to the all seeing eye in Lord of the rings movie.

Once I made a thread about saudi family. They are Zionists hands in the region and they are paying their masters back.

originally posted by: Cinrad
Oh, you are more of the humanist type of mason? You believe in the power of yourself? And freemasonry is just a great value system that allows you to better yourself?

Presently, Freemasonry seems good (in their charitable works), secularly-speaking - if your beliefs tolerate the use of symbols and rituals.

But could have also provided an excellent cover of past evil deeds of an organization - a good fruit cannot come from a bad tree - Just look at the Masonic origins of USA and what USA has been doing.

Just look at countries who have boldly brandished the symbols and icons also present in Freemasonry such as Israel and Saudi, and perhaps, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and UK too. What have they been doing/have done apart from espionage of their own citizens?? In an apparent NSA scandal...

...A good fruit cannot come from a bad tree.

originally posted by: johndeere2020

originally posted by: Cinrad
Oh, you are more of the humanist type of mason? You believe in the power of yourself? And freemasonry is just a great value system that allows you to better yourself?

Just look at the Masonic origins of USA and what USA has been doing.

Just look at countries who have boldly brandished the symbols and icons also present in Freemasonry such as Israel and Saudi, and perhaps, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and UK too. What have they been doing/have done apart from espionage of their own citizens?? In an apparent NSA scandal...

...A good fruit cannot come from a bad tree.

Would you be so kind as to cite what your benchmark country/countries are and why? Also, please cite (other than the 14 signers of the US Declaration of Independence) what precisely makes the origin of the States and what it's been lately (and not so lately) doing Masonic?

TIA
Fitz

originally posted by: Cinrad
We are derailing here, perhaps on another thread.

Then why even bring up the Satan nonsense to start with?


You want to discuss this in another thread? Fine, there is one a few down from this one titled 'Why Masons do not worship Lucifer'. If you are feeling frisky then take your best shot but I doubt you are even remotely prepared to discuss the topic so I will not be holding my breath.

originally posted by: Cinrad

originally posted by: ketsuko
What would you have us do about it? Forcibly convert or behead Jews who refuse to acknowledge Christ as the Messiah? It's the tactic ME Muslims are taking toward Christians right now when it comes to Mohammad, and we did try that during the Inquisition. It didn't work out so well

The inquisitors were not working out of Christian charity, they were working for the Roman Catholic church, they persecuted Christians and Jews, anyone who would not bow to their authority and accept their yoke of oppression. Do not attribute the inquisition or the Crusades or any other acts of the Roman Catholic church to Christians please, it is offensive.

I won't argue that the Inquisition wasn't a Christian thing to do. The Catholic Church suffers greatly from being a large political power broker as much as a major religious force in the world, but that doesn't take away from their Christian beliefs. At the end of the day, even though you and I disagree with their teaching and doctrine, they do still read the gospels and have a chance to receive the same good news and be saved.

At the end of the day, are you going to tell me that there will be NO Catholics in Heaven simply because they are Catholics? Or no Mormons? Or anyone else whose views differ? If you have the chance to be exposed to the Gospel, hear the good news, receive God, then it doesn't matter where you got that chance or how; all that matters is that you heard the message.

originally posted by: Fitzgibbon

Would you be so kind as to cite what your benchmark country/countries are and why? Also, please cite (other than the 14 signers of the US Declaration of Independence) what precisely makes the origin of the States and what it's been lately (and not so lately) doing Masonic?

TIA
Fitz

The benchmark country either does not exist or I'm not aware but it has to have very low crime rates, very low/non-existent corruption in the government, its citizens granted many freedoms and respect of their privacy, does not deceive anyone, I guess you could figure out where I'm getting at...

As for the USA and it's current masonic activities is undetermined.

I'm pretty sure you'll counter by saying that USA is doing all sorts of bad things on its own and Freemasonry is a nice and harmless org unlike USA and her Allies..

That might be true today with Freemasonry's humanitarian resolve. And believe me when I say, modern Freemasons are just like any other person like you and me who wants to belong somewhere with good intentions. I mean they're no more evil, no more good than any other person.

But one thing you're not taking into account is the variable of time.

If we do some roleplaying and I take the role of the deceiver, I would have done the same thing. Cover an evil deed in the name of by doing good deeds later on in the name of .... ....And over time, people will forget.... And if not all, most will probably forget and that is a good thing enough for me. It will give me enough leverage so that the opinion of the few opposition won't matter anymore.

I'm beginning to see this is how the powers in our world work. They use the variable of time. They work out their deceit little by little over great periods of time like cooking a lobster. And by the time they are done after thousands of years, they have established global dominion.

If that is not an undeniable touch of genius and great cunning, it shows an incredible demonstration of patience probably only doable by people who strongly believes in afterlife, religious fanaticism, or reincarnation, or is taking orders from other-worldly entities or other living beings who have extremely long lives to oversee the changes over eons.

And these folks had to dabble with the Occult a lot so they could also protect their interest from the paranormal/spiritual side of things. Just imagine what would happen if all the angry souls of people came back at them. They wouldn't stand a chance!

originally posted by: johndeere2020
I'm beginning to see this is how the powers in our world work. They use the variable of time. They work out their deceit little by little over great periods of time like cooking a lobster. And by the time they are done after thousands of years, they have established global dominion.
If that is not an undeniable touch of genius and great cunning...

Actually, it would be the hallmark of some people that went full retard.

Who the hell sits around and says:

Illuminati Guy #1 "Hey, I have a great idea. Let's put a group together and rule the world!"

Illuminati Guy #2 "I like your thinking, when do we take over the world?"

Illuminati Guy #1 "Oh, a couple of thousand years, give or take."

Illuminati Guy #2 "That makes total sense. Count me in."

originally posted by: mideast
a reply to: johndeere2020 salam

there is one most important thing about SA.

They are building a tower higher than the house of allah.

and that seems to be very similar to the all seeing eye in Lord of the rings movie.

Once I made a thread about saudi family. They are Zionists hands in the region and they are paying their masters back.

Thank you for confirming my find! It was originally a gut feeling, the moment I stepped on Saudi soil. Seeing all those Illuminati signs learning of the police brutality (they are far worse here than in USA!) eventually led me to do some searching and I wasn't at all surprised at what I found.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Who the hell sits around and says:

Illuminati Guy #1 "Hey, I have a great idea. Let's put a group together and rule the world!"

Illuminati Guy #2 "I like your thinking, when do we take over the world?"

Illuminati Guy #1 "Oh, a couple of thousand years, give or take."

Illuminati Guy #2 "That makes total sense. Count me in."

Same thing as people strapping bombs to their body and blowing themselves up in the middle of a busy market as part of a plan to win a holy war....

....They also won't live to see the results of their sacrifice for their beliefs.

Religious fanaticism pushes people to do unimaginable things.



Once I've read about a Chinese or Japanese dialogue, I don't know if it's real. It just says that Asians are extremely patient people who doesn't win wars by brute force unlike the Americans, instead, they use time as their ally and in a couple centuries, they would have ruled the world. At least with China, it seems to be a growing reality.

And Muslims peaceful plan of global takeover by out-breeding the Christians/western world.

At the moment however, the Zionists are winning.

a reply to: johndeere2020

smells like the great work of the ages
(..ever seen an old movie called "the network"?)
one day all of this will finally make sense
thanks for uploading

a reply to: Fitzgibbon

"God's plan is dedicated to the unification of all races, religions and creeds. This plan, dedicated to the new order of things, is to make all things new - a new nation, a new race, a new civilization and a new religion, a nonsectarian religion that has already been recognized and called the religion of 'The Great Light.' Looking back into history, we can easily see that the Guiding Hand of Providence has chosen the Nordic people to bring in and unfold the new order of the world. Records clearly show that 95 per cent of the colonists were Nordics-Anglo-Saxons. Providence has chosen the Nordics because the Nordics have prepared themselves and have chosen God ... Just as Providence has chosen the Jewish race - the Children of Israel - to bring into the world righteousness by carrying the 'Ten Commandments' which emphasize 'Remember the Sabbath Day and keep it holy,' so also Providence has chosen the Nordic Race to unfold the 'New Age' of the world - a ' Novus Ordo Seclorum'." ~New Age Magazine

The New Age Magazine, the official magazine of the Scottish Rite who changed the title to The Scottish Rite Journal of Freemasonry Southern Jurisdiction in 1990 after some of the issues and the future plans of the New Age Movement became public. Here the ancient agenda of the Dark Empire of the Secret Societies, "The Plan," to unite all religions and all nations into the New World Order is called 'God's plan' in the September 1950 issue of the magazine. The non-sectarian religion is of course the ancient Luciferian Religion repackaged as the One World Religion of the New Age Movement: New Age Magazine, September issue (1950)

source (lots more over there)

the original article goes on to explain how any parent who denies "public schooling" for their child is the lowest form of criminal
..i think most of this "stuff" just speaks for itself

originally posted by: johndeere2020
Same thing as people strapping bombs to their body and blowing themselves up in the middle of a busy market as part of a plan to win a holy war....

This does not equate to a multi-millennium plot to take over the world manipulated by persons of power and influence strategically operating throughout the world.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicusThe question was simple. Why do you believe in Satan?

No, actually the question was "What do you believe in Satan", you then fixed your typo later, so, no it was not simple. Why did you make it sound like I had a problem with basic comprehension? Is it so hard to admit you made a mistake that you have to try and turn it on me and replace reality with your own made up version? How rude!

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Cinrad
We are derailing here, perhaps on another thread.

Then why even bring up the Satan nonsense to start with?


You want to discuss this in another thread? Fine, there is one a few down from this one titled 'Why Masons do not worship Lucifer'. If you are feeling frisky then take your best shot but I doubt you are even remotely prepared to discuss the topic so I will not be holding my breath.

You asked me to be specific as to what the freemasonry agenda was, so that is where it came up. What are you doing?

You are telling us it is nonsense, yet freemasonry shares the symbols of other lucifer worshiping groups. This thread was about symbols seen in Saudi government authority logos. The OP said they were freemasonry symbols, you said they were not owned by freemasonry and shared by other groups and then I said they were shared by groups who share the same occult illuminati agenda, you asked me what that agenda was and I answered and now you ask me I even bring it up? Again, what are you doing?

And no, I dont want to discuss Lucifer in another thread, but you obviously do, I'm sure you can find someone to do it with.