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DONETSK Ukraine (Reuters) - A powerful Ukrainian rebel leader has confirmed that pro-Russian separatists had anti-aircraft missiles of the type Washington says were used to shoot down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.
In an interview with Reuters, Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok Battalion, acknowledged for the first time since the airliner was brought down in eastern Ukraine on Thursday that the rebels did possess the BUK missile system.
He also indicated that the BUK may have originated in Russia and could have been sent back to remove proof of its presence.
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"I knew that a BUK came from Luhansk. At the time I was told that a BUK from Luhansk was coming under the flag of the LNR," he said, referring to the Luhansk People’s Republic, the main rebel group operating in Luhansk, one of two rebel provinces along with Donetsk, the province where the crash took place.
"That BUK I know about. I heard about it. I think they sent it back. Because I found out about it at exactly the moment that I found out that this tragedy had taken place. They probably sent it back in order to remove proof of its presence," Khodakovsky told Reuters on Tuesday.
"The question is this: Ukraine received timely evidence that the volunteers have this technology, through the fault of Russia. It not only did nothing to protect security, but provoked the use of this type of weapon against a plane that was flying with peaceful civilians," he said.
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originally posted by: rickymouse
The guy says that he heard that they had it after the plane was shot down. He did not see it. I am sure the US military satellited would have pictures of it leaving the country if it did leave, it is not something that you cannot see. There are spy satellites stationed over that area. I think that maybe this guy was bought off, if he actually even exists. This sort of tactic is used by lots of governments around the world, it usually flops. Nowadays people can communicate better and someone will be telling the truth shortly, if they aren't too scared to say something.
originally posted by: stormcell
You'd think someone somewhere would have before and after pictures of a missile launcher with a full load of missiles and then with one missile missing.
originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: Blackmarketeer
So the rebels captured a missile system that Ukraine got from Russia, then they accidentally shoot down a commercial airliner with it, then Putin says give me back my missiles you freaking morons.
Where's the problem?
Smoking gun evidence that surely won't be good enough for Moscow's apologists.
originally posted by: pheonix358
So, some guy says they have one, maybe, but he hasn't seen it! Nice to even know if this guy exists.
We have videos of what may be one but they are all covered, so, it could be anything.
And the videos could of been taken anywhere, only the captions tell us where they are.
This is just your typical propaganda, from the West this time.
To top it all off is this line in the OP.
Smoking gun evidence that surely won't be good enough for Moscow's apologists.
So we know where this thread wants to lead us all.
Yes Dorothy, we are all looking where you're pointing.
How about some real evidence like rickymouse has asked for.
I suppose all of the US and NATO satellites just all went down at the same precise time.
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Protesters hurled eggs and overturned diplomats’ cars Saturday outside the Russian embassy in Kiev just hours after the Ukrainian president vowed to attack Russian-backed rebels who killed 49 people when they shot down a military cargo plane.
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The thing that really sold it for me were the news articles about the rebels previously shooting down craft.
originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: jonnywhite
The thing that really sold it for me were the news articles about the rebels previously shooting down craft.
There is a HUGE difference in shooting down combat craft at lower attack altitudes than taking something out at 32000 ft. So you have bought a dummy.
Completely different weapon systems.
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originally posted by: DeadSeraph
originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: jonnywhite
The thing that really sold it for me were the news articles about the rebels previously shooting down craft.
There is a HUGE difference in shooting down combat craft at lower attack altitudes than taking something out at 32000 ft. So you have bought a dummy.
Completely different weapon systems.
P
How convenient. Where did they get those weapons systems? The Russians keep denying they are sending the separatists weapons, so where are they getting them from? They are taking out large transports and even fighters (just took down 2 SU-25's today). Where did they get the weapons to do this if they are just "local self defense forces"?
Yeah. Keep lying.
originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: Zcustosmorum
Apparently you missed my point entirely...
Altitude aside, the rebels have shot down numerous Ukrainian military aircraft recently. If they are merely "local self defense forces" and not being armed by the Russians as moscow claims, where did they get the weapons to bring down military aircraft? They didn't get them from the Ukrainians. Furthermore, what of all the video evidence of Russian equipment crossing the Ukrainian border? I guess that never happened because SOCIAL MEDIA?
Let me just close by asking one more question: Why is it social media was good enough evidence to advance the Russian agenda in Syria when it came to chemical weapons attacks allegedly made by the Assad regime, but it is not good enough evidence that the rebels brought down a civilian airliner?