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originally posted by: TDawgRex
I've seen people here at ATS backing the separatists claiming that Mig-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker fighters, and now they are claiming SU-25 Frogfoots, were following or actively attacking MH17?
To be even a smidgen credible, you have to stick to the same story.
Putins cronies are failing him. Even if Russia had nothing to do with it, other than providing training. Just like the Wests cronies are failing them due to training IS in the past.
Are you sure he isn't talking about the SU 39?
Everyone talks about the backwards Russians, but in 3 days they produced all the evidence they needed to prove it wasn't them OR the rebels.
originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: rustyclutch
I find it funny that when people believe in the western intel we get crapped on but when the ussr "facts" come out everyone is to except it as truth.
Around and Around we go.
originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: rustyclutch
I find it funny that when people believe in the western intel we get crapped on but when the ussr "facts" come out everyone is to except it as truth.
Around and Around we go.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: rigel4
HOAX
Just a matter of time.
Senior US officials appear to have told CNN that they detected a radar signal from a surface-to-air missile system being turned on right before the crash, and that they also detected a 'heat signature' at the time the aircraft was lost.
Three of the four SBIRS satellites, SBIRS GEO 1 (2011-019A) and SBIRS GEO 2 (2013-011A) in geostationary orbit and USA 184 (2006-027A) in HEO, HAD coverage of the area where MH17 went down at the time this happened (17 July 14:15 GMT, see image above).
Firstly I'm not a patsy, I'm a human who shared a quote!!!
How am I supposed to know, seriously???
He said what he said, I don't think it would be right for me put words in his mouth or change the narrative, that'd be disingenuous!!!
Finally, I'll go out on a limb that a Russian Lieutenant General knows more about Russian designed aircraft than non-Russians...
originally posted by: lightedhype
Where is the evidence Ukraine and the West are presenting again? Oh right, there is absolutely zero evidence.
If the rebels took down the airliner with a BUK as is being claimed, there is no way in hell we would not have satellite imagery of that missile launch. But oh yea that's right, western media never releases anything even close to satellite imagery and we are all supposed to just take it on faith due to national security.
Russia has put out their evidence, and even provided photographic evidence. Your move Washington.
originally posted by: rustyclutch
originally posted by: TDawgRex
I've seen people here at ATS backing the separatists claiming that Mig-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker fighters, and now they are claiming SU-25 Frogfoots, were following or actively attacking MH17?
To be even a smidgen credible, you have to stick to the same story.
Putins cronies are failing him. Even if Russia had nothing to do with it, other than providing training. Just like the Wests cronies are failing them due to training IS in the past.
You are comparing people on ATS speculating to Satellite Imagery and Radar from their military? Just because people were speculating without information the day of the crash doesn't mean they were privy to all these details. Even when Washington gets caught with egg on it's face people make excuses. They don't just make excuses, they refuse to wipe the egg off not even acknowledging its existence. We are doomed.
originally posted by: rustyclutch
a reply to: ANNED
Sounds like you are mad at the evidence bro. It never says the plane was shot down by an SU-25. It says at a point in time right before the crash that a su-25 and the 777 were 3-5 km apart. Ukraine denied having aircraft in the area period PUBLICLY. Like I said. I'm of the idea that they knew the rebels had one buk missile set they captured maybe and they shot the airliner down to pin it on them. At least my opinion is based in some type of fact. To believe the American side of the story is like believing in Santa Claus. There is no proof like there is no Santa.
originally posted by: TDawgRex
originally posted by: rustyclutch
a reply to: ANNED
Sounds like you are mad at the evidence bro. It never says the plane was shot down by an SU-25. It says at a point in time right before the crash that a su-25 and the 777 were 3-5 km apart. Ukraine denied having aircraft in the area period PUBLICLY. Like I said. I'm of the idea that they knew the rebels had one buk missile set they captured maybe and they shot the airliner down to pin it on them. At least my opinion is based in some type of fact. To believe the American side of the story is like believing in Santa Claus. There is no proof like there is no Santa.
then by your own statement and the pro-Russian rebels did fire a shot at what they thought was one target, but hit another...they're guilt free?
The separatists and the Russian Gov't are spinning like no tomorrow. I think they took a page out of the 0bama playbook.