Ukrainian Su-25 warplane detected heading toward Malaysian Boeing

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Cablespider

The black Box will tell us why Mh17 was deverted 14km North and out of the flight coridoor.

Someone must have instructed the pilots to change cource North. And that is very interesting. Because if it is the Ukraine who ordered MH17 to change cource. They have a few questions to answer.

I would have thought / hoped that some HAM radio operator and Plane hobbyest would have recorded some ATC's in the area of Ukraine. Being a hot spot for ambulance chaser hobbysts.

That would be difficult because there where 9 BUK systems With active radars. It is not easy to pick up much if these Things are active.

So they JAM ATC frequencies?

RT the greatest show on Earth (sn1ggers)
wanders off!

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: rigel4
Al Jazeera Reporting that the Whitehouse is to release
evidence later today implicating the Rebels in the shooting down
of Flight MH17.

This will be Interesting.

They're probably double checking the meta-data to ensure no whoopsies. That's why it's taking extra long.

"Metadata is information generated as you use technology, and its use has been the subject of controversy since NSA's secret surveillance program was revealed. Examples include the date and time you called somebody or the location from which you last accessed your email. The data collected generally does not contain personal or content-specific details, but rather transactional information about the user, the device and activities taking place. In some cases you can limit the information that is collected –

By turning off location services on your cell phone for instance – but many times you cannot.

originally posted by: foxhound1431

originally posted by: moobie

originally posted by: rigel4
Al Jazeera Reporting that the Whitehouse is to release
evidence later today implicating the Rebels in the shooting down
of Flight MH17.

This will be Interesting.

They're probably double checking the meta-data to ensure no whoopsies. That's why it's taking extra long.

"Metadata is information generated as you use technology, and its use has been the subject of controversy since NSA's secret surveillance program was revealed. Examples include the date and time you called somebody or the location from which you last accessed your email. The data collected generally does not contain personal or content-specific details, but rather transactional information about the user, the device and activities taking place. In some cases you can limit the information that is collected –

By turning off location services on your cell phone for instance – but many times you cannot.

Thank's for the lesson but I already know what metadata is since I define it.

You may think everybody is stupidier than you, but, that's just a thought isn't it.

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: moobie


I'm willing to bet that if the evidence comes out against your comrades you are still going to say its B.S.

Either way I can't wait for the facts to finally come out.

Isn't that what you've been doing this whole thread?

Looking for facts? Yes I have been but when I ask for it I'm told I'm spreading disinfo, not sure how one spreads disinfo when they ask a question.

I thrive on information not the propaganda being tossed around in here.

originally posted by: Cablespider

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Cablespider

The black Box will tell us why Mh17 was deverted 14km North and out of the flight coridoor.

Someone must have instructed the pilots to change cource North. And that is very interesting. Because if it is the Ukraine who ordered MH17 to change cource. They have a few questions to answer.

Unfortunately, an impartial investigation may be impossible now that Malaysia has agreed to hand the boxes over to the UK.

Are the boxes sealed?

I have heard that the Black Boxes are in good condition. What is not so good is that they are handed over to the UK authorities as you mention.

Personally i findt it hard to believe UK and US authorities becasue they have falsefied evidence before.

But its still going to be interesting to listen to what comes out of this. Because in the end the information must fit into the big Picture.

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Cablespider

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Cablespider

The black Box will tell us why Mh17 was deverted 14km North and out of the flight coridoor.

Someone must have instructed the pilots to change cource North. And that is very interesting. Because if it is the Ukraine who ordered MH17 to change cource. They have a few questions to answer.

Unfortunately, an impartial investigation may be impossible now that Malaysia has agreed to hand the boxes over to the UK.

Are the boxes sealed?

I have heard that the Black Boxes are in good condition. What is not so good is that they are handed over to the UK authorities as you mention.

Personally i findt it hard to believe UK and US authorities becasue they have falsefied evidence before.

But its still going to be interesting to listen to what comes out of this. Because in the end the information must fit into the big Picture.

Specialists from EVERY country involved and independent should be with them at all times.


I don't think now is a good time for black boxes to be handed over to a country that has been beating war drums with no accountability, tracability and oversight.

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: moobie


I'm willing to bet that if the evidence comes out against your comrades you are still going to say its B.S.

Either way I can't wait for the facts to finally come out.

Isn't that what you've been doing this whole thread?

Looking for facts? Yes I have been but when I ask for it I'm told I'm spreading disinfo, not sure how one spreads disinfo when they ask a question.

I thrive on information not the propaganda being tossed around in here.

Even when presented with some pretty good info, you discount it.

originally posted by: moobie

Specialists from EVERY country involved and independent should be with them at all times.

Will they?

a reply to: moobie


Dude your nastiness is not welcomed here.


Foxhound, thanks for the information.

originally posted by: whitepanther999

originally posted by: moobie

Specialists from EVERY country involved and independent should be with them at all times.

Will they?

Everybody has a say in this, so yes, from ALL sides should be included.


That way nobody gets to point fingers, everybody is there.

I would even go as far to make it a public event televised on the internet web cam with audio.

Just like the Olympic Torch relay and Paralament TV or ironically, Big Brother TV

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: moobie


I'm willing to bet that if the evidence comes out against your comrades you are still going to say its B.S.

Either way I can't wait for the facts to finally come out.

Isn't that what you've been doing this whole thread?

Looking for facts? Yes I have been but when I ask for it I'm told I'm spreading disinfo, not sure how one spreads disinfo when they ask a question.

I thrive on information not the propaganda being tossed around in here.

You can't be looking for facts here. Everything we provide you with you refuse as evidence. Surely there is a more suitable thread that will get you the response you want to your statements. I would have to be getting paid to put up all the bogus argument you put up. Surely it can't be fun. Surely you can't feel like you are getting anywhere with spending your time here. Do you feel like you are adding anything to the discussion? Apparently what the rest of us have to offer isn't good enough for you.

originally posted by: rustyclutch

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: moobie


I'm willing to bet that if the evidence comes out against your comrades you are still going to say its B.S.

Either way I can't wait for the facts to finally come out.

Isn't that what you've been doing this whole thread?

Looking for facts? Yes I have been but when I ask for it I'm told I'm spreading disinfo, not sure how one spreads disinfo when they ask a question.

I thrive on information not the propaganda being tossed around in here.

You can't be looking for facts here.

I know I have been trying.

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: moobie


I'm willing to bet that if the evidence comes out against your comrades you are still going to say its B.S.

Either way I can't wait for the facts to finally come out.

Isn't that what you've been doing this whole thread?

Looking for facts? Yes I have been but when I ask for it I'm told I'm spreading disinfo, not sure how one spreads disinfo when they ask a question.

I thrive on information not the propaganda being tossed around in here.

Nice diversion, but I was referring to the fact that you've spent the last 10 pages relentlessly attacking the OP and derailing the thread while presenting zero facts of your own.

a reply to: moobie

Yeah, yeah, but in reality, will there be people from a lot of countries? or just ukraine us and european allies?

a reply to: Flatcoat


So asking now means relentless attacks?

I don't have facts and I'm going to question everything till I am satisfied.

What specific questions do you have, thesaneone?

a reply to: thesaneone

So asking now means relentless attacks?

Well, probably not the first 30 or so times...

I don't have facts and I'm going to question everything till I am satisfied.

So I take that to mean you're open to the possibility that it was actually the Ukrainians that shot the plane down?

www.vox.com...

President Vladimir Putin appears to be inadvertently distancing himself from the actions of eastern Ukrainian separatists as his government faces increasing criticism over the shootdown of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 on Thursday. Putin's comments to Russia Today — the first he's made publicly since the crash — largely sidestepped questions about whether rebels used Russia-provided weapons or training to shoot down MH17. Putin instead called for an open investigation into the crash

"We must do everything to provide security for the international experts on the site of the tragedy," Putin said. "In the meantime, nobody should and has no right to use this tragedy to achieve their narrowly selfish political goals." But recent reports showed that Ukrainian rebels spent much of the weekend blocking access to the crash site — the direct opposite of the open investigation Putin is calling for. (Following Putin's comments, some reports indicate the rebels will now cooperate with the international community.)

a reply to: Flatcoat

Most definitely opened to all ideas but I have not seen a good one yet.

Like I said before I don't believe what this administration says and I sure in hell don't believe what the Russians say.