Ex-Minnesota governor says TV career halted by sniper's claims

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: NavyDoc

In plain English for clueless non-military types--he. was. not. a. SEAL.

I am a vet so you can drop the non military types crap.
The Truth About Jesse Ventura’s Navy SEAL Status

I’ve heard the speculation and gossip about Jesse Ventura’s Navy SEAL status and wanted to set the record straight. Jesse Ventura graduated with Basic Underwater Demolition Class 58 and, like it or not, he earned his status. Some say he’s a UDT (Underwater Demolition Team), and not a “SEAL,” but that’s bull#. Others have seen the flaw in this analogy, and mentioned in private SEAL forums, “try telling that to a WWII UDT veteran who swam ashore before the landing craft on D-Day.” The UDT’s and SEALs are essentially one and the same. It’s why the UDT is still part of the training acronym BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL).
Like it or not, Jesse Ventura is a Navy SEAL. He did the pushups and put up with the cold water, just like the rest of us.

Riiight. Sure you are a vet.

Some of the guys might think of him as the same but he never went through the training. IT is not like a WWII frogman who didn't train when there was no qualification course and "was just as good." When he was in, there was a qualification course and he did not do it.

For sake of community, after the UDTs folded, there is a lot of camaraderie and "we are the same kind of guys" but the fact of the matter is that he never did the course nor was he ever assigned to a SEAL unit and never earned the SEAL trident because he never went to the SQT. Those are the facts of the matter, various opinions and making nice aside.

I like Jesse.. at least the governor,wrestler,movie star (kinda). But lets face it..his TV career halted because his show sucked. Almost unwatchable.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Answer
I'm curious why anyone would believe Jesse's side of the story when he's known for being a loud, boisterous, full-of-crap caricature of himself that does whatever it takes to seek publicity. He loves to say unpopular things just to get people riled up.

The fact that he has continued the case against a dead warrior's family says everything you need to know about Jesse Ventura's character.

This. Include the facts that he's lied about being a SEAL for many years.

That isn't a lie. He and his team were made honorary Seals.

LOL.

Really? So if the Blue Angels made you an honorary pilot, would you wear wings and tell everyone that you were a pilot?

I've was in the Navy for 25 years and you don't get "honorary" warfare qualifications. UDT and SEALS were two different MOS with a same basic school in the beginning of the track and then divided into two separate MOS. AFTER Ventura left the Navy, the UDT MOS was done away with as redundant and those UDT members who wished to stay in the community were given the opportunity to train as SEALS. Ventura did not do that as it was 8 years after he left service that this was done.

In plain English for clueless non-military types--he. was. not. a. SEAL.

It. was. the. equivalent. of. a. SEAL. at. the. time. he. served.

No it wasn't. They were two separate MOS with different qualifications paths. The equivalent of a SEAL at the time was a SEAL--one who finished the 26 week qualification course, which he didn't. He was even out eight years before the UDT MOS went away and those who remained were still not able to wear the trident until they qualified. You cannot wear a warfare qualification nor call yourself one of them if you did not qualify for it.

That is not what your response was previously.
You said if he had taken the extra courses, which were only offered 8 years after he served, he would qualify for what a SEAL is now.
Maybe something was lost in your description, but I took it that he did the same training as seals at the time but later when they unified there was additional training required for the demolition guys.

It's not very clear, he always did say publicly that he did the same training as the SEALS but was in the UDT, so basically we all believed at the time he served both were trained equally then went off in their own specialized branch, either SEALS or UDT. Obviously at that point there would be different trainings beyond that point, but to become either, he always said the initial training was the same in them days.

No, what I pointed out was that the course was offered and there was a path to becoming a SEAL rather than stopping after BUDS, he just didn't take it. He stopped after BUDS but didn't go to SQT and he could have done that at any time. 8 years after he got out, UDT was done away with as a MOS and those who were in the time had a final chance to qualify or leave the community. He missed that boat because he left 8 years prior.


The training was the same in that they both went to the same "basic"--buds. After BUDS, those who did not want to or did not qualify to go on to SQT stopped in their training and were assigned to UDT units. Those who went on to SQT and passed, became SEALS and earned "The Budweiser."

Where Ventura is being disingenuous, is where he talks about being "the same" in BUDS but banks on people not knowing the rest of the story.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Answer
I'm curious why anyone would believe Jesse's side of the story when he's known for being a loud, boisterous, full-of-crap caricature of himself that does whatever it takes to seek publicity. He loves to say unpopular things just to get people riled up.

The fact that he has continued the case against a dead warrior's family says everything you need to know about Jesse Ventura's character.

This. Include the facts that he's lied about being a SEAL for many years.

That isn't a lie. He and his team were made honorary Seals.

LOL.

Really? So if the Blue Angels made you an honorary pilot, would you wear wings and tell everyone that you were a pilot?

I've was in the Navy for 25 years and you don't get "honorary" warfare qualifications. UDT and SEALS were two different MOS with a same basic school in the beginning of the track and then divided into two separate MOS. AFTER Ventura left the Navy, the UDT MOS was done away with as redundant and those UDT members who wished to stay in the community were given the opportunity to train as SEALS. Ventura did not do that as it was 8 years after he left service that this was done.

In plain English for clueless non-military types--he. was. not. a. SEAL.

It. was. the. equivalent. of. a. SEAL. at. the. time. he. served.

No it wasn't. They were two separate MOS with different qualifications paths. The equivalent of a SEAL at the time was a SEAL--one who finished the 26 week qualification course, which he didn't. He was even out eight years before the UDT MOS went away and those who remained were still not able to wear the trident until they qualified. You cannot wear a warfare qualification nor call yourself one of them if you did not qualify for it.

That is not what your response was previously.
You said if he had taken the extra courses, which were only offered 8 years after he served, he would qualify for what a SEAL is now.
Maybe something was lost in your description, but I took it that he did the same training as seals at the time but later when they unified there was additional training required for the demolition guys.

It's not very clear, he always did say publicly that he did the same training as the SEALS but was in the UDT, so basically we all believed at the time he served both were trained equally then went off in their own specialized branch, either SEALS or UDT. Obviously at that point there would be different trainings beyond that point, but to become either, he always said the initial training was the same in them days.

No, what I pointed out was that the course was offered and there was a path to becoming a SEAL rather than stopping after BUDS, he just didn't take it. He stopped after BUDS but didn't go to SQT and he could have done that at any time. 8 years after he got out, UDT was done away with as a MOS and those who were in the time had a final chance to qualify or leave the community. He missed that boat because he left 8 years prior.


The training was the same in that they both went to the same "basic"--buds. After BUDS, those who did not want to or did not qualify to go on to SQT stopped in their training and were assigned to UDT units. Those who went on to SQT and passed, became SEALS and earned "The Budweiser."

Where Ventura is being disingenuous, is where he talks about being "the same" in BUDS but banks on people not knowing the rest of the story.

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So basically, in his day.....
Everyone trained together and those who finished at that point they were UDT, none of them were SEALS yet?

I know three retired navy Seals and all say because he did not ring out of hell week he is a Seal.

They say after hell week the navy ASIGNED you to ether a UDT team, a Seal team or a Special boat team for training.
You did not have a say in what group the navy sent you to.

All three groups worked together in training and combat and anyone can now claim being a seal because they passed the one thing all had to pass that is hell week.

The only difference between a a UDT team, a Seal team is how far ashore you went.

The UDT seldom went more the 300 up on the beach.
The Seals were combat operators that had no limits on how far they went.

Even the Special boat team member were trained to merge with a Seal team if the boat was taken out and fight there way out.

You could not be the weak link.

In some cases UDT would hold a beach extraction point for a Seal team and had to be just as combat ready as a seal team as they could be called to reinforce a Seal team in trouble.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Answer
I'm curious why anyone would believe Jesse's side of the story when he's known for being a loud, boisterous, full-of-crap caricature of himself that does whatever it takes to seek publicity. He loves to say unpopular things just to get people riled up.

The fact that he has continued the case against a dead warrior's family says everything you need to know about Jesse Ventura's character.

This. Include the facts that he's lied about being a SEAL for many years.

That isn't a lie. He and his team were made honorary Seals.

LOL.

Really? So if the Blue Angels made you an honorary pilot, would you wear wings and tell everyone that you were a pilot?

I've was in the Navy for 25 years and you don't get "honorary" warfare qualifications. UDT and SEALS were two different MOS with a same basic school in the beginning of the track and then divided into two separate MOS. AFTER Ventura left the Navy, the UDT MOS was done away with as redundant and those UDT members who wished to stay in the community were given the opportunity to train as SEALS. Ventura did not do that as it was 8 years after he left service that this was done.

In plain English for clueless non-military types--he. was. not. a. SEAL.

It. was. the. equivalent. of. a. SEAL. at. the. time. he. served.

No it wasn't. They were two separate MOS with different qualifications paths. The equivalent of a SEAL at the time was a SEAL--one who finished the 26 week qualification course, which he didn't. He was even out eight years before the UDT MOS went away and those who remained were still not able to wear the trident until they qualified. You cannot wear a warfare qualification nor call yourself one of them if you did not qualify for it.

That is not what your response was previously.
You said if he had taken the extra courses, which were only offered 8 years after he served, he would qualify for what a SEAL is now.
Maybe something was lost in your description, but I took it that he did the same training as seals at the time but later when they unified there was additional training required for the demolition guys.

It's not very clear, he always did say publicly that he did the same training as the SEALS but was in the UDT, so basically we all believed at the time he served both were trained equally then went off in their own specialized branch, either SEALS or UDT. Obviously at that point there would be different trainings beyond that point, but to become either, he always said the initial training was the same in them days.

No, what I pointed out was that the course was offered and there was a path to becoming a SEAL rather than stopping after BUDS, he just didn't take it. He stopped after BUDS but didn't go to SQT and he could have done that at any time. 8 years after he got out, UDT was done away with as a MOS and those who were in the time had a final chance to qualify or leave the community. He missed that boat because he left 8 years prior.


The training was the same in that they both went to the same "basic"--buds. After BUDS, those who did not want to or did not qualify to go on to SQT stopped in their training and were assigned to UDT units. Those who went on to SQT and passed, became SEALS and earned "The Budweiser."

Where Ventura is being disingenuous, is where he talks about being "the same" in BUDS but banks on people not knowing the rest of the story.

.

So basically, in his day.....
Everyone trained together and those who finished at that point they were UDT, none of them were SEALS yet?

Yes. And then those who wanted to be SEALS went on to a 26 week long SEAL Qualification Training course after which they were pinned as SEALS. Those who did not were sent to UDT units without further training.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Drunkenparrot
It looks like Kris Kyle was telling the truth...

Witness in defamation suit says she saw Jesse Ventura get punched in bar

ST. PAUL, Minn. — A witness has testified in Jesse Ventura’s defamation lawsuit that she saw someone punch the former Minnesota governor at a bar in California in 2006.

Laura deShazo of Salt Lake City testified Monday she was at the pub in Coronado California, the night when slain “American Sniper” author Chris Kyle said he punched a man he called “Scruff Face.” Kyle later identified the man as Ventura.

DeShazo said she was in the bar to attend the wake for a friend of Kyle’s. While there, she, her sister and her brother’s girlfriend poses for a picture with Ventura.

DeShazo says she later saw Ventura get into a scuffle with other people at the bar, and saw a man punch Ventura.

She said she doesn’t know who threw the punch, but she gave a description that was consistent with Kyle.
Ventura testified that the punch never happened.

Looks like he wasn't telling the truth.

Jesse Ventura Gets Backing Of Former SEALs In Lawsuit Over “Punch” Hoax

Back in February, Kyle filed a petition to have the case moved to U.S. District Court in St. Paul. Ventura considered dropping the case but after being contacted by several prominent former US Navy Seals, was “ordered” to go ahead with the lawsuit after Kyle failed to agree to a settlement that would have seen him admit to lying and pay attorney fees. One of those ex-SEALs is Ventura’s former instructor, the widely respected Terry “Mother” Moy, owner of the bar where the incident is alleged to have occurred. After investigating the incident, Moy and his fellow SEALs confirmed that the event never took place and that Kyle had invented it to generate publicity for his book. An added reason for their support of Ventura is the fact that they are sick of seeing Navy SEALs stab each other in the back for profit, the former Governor of Minnesota told Infowars.

“If a former Governor within the SEAL community had been knocked down and hit and assaulted, it would have traveled through the SEAL community like wildfire,” said Ventura, pointing out how “absurd” it was for the incident only to come to light almost six years later. “He never hit me, I don’t even know who he is,” said Ventura, adding that if the incident had occurred the way Kyle described, there would be a police report, which there isn’t.

Sorry but your posting from infowars in in direct contradiction to what all the MSM outlets are reporting.

Ventura tangled with Chuck Webber, an attorney for the estate of Chris Kyle, for the better part of the morning....

....Webber rattled off a list of witnesses he said would testify that they saw or heard parts of Kyle's story happen. Were they all wrong, he asked?

They were, Ventura said.

Webber played part of a radio interview with the bar's owner, whom Ventura had said could confirm the fight didn't happen. In the clip, the owner acknowledged hearing about the fight in the aftermath.

Ventura's testimony will continue in the afternoon.

Jesse Ventura trial: Attorney says bar fight story was embarrassing, true

Then there is this from the infowars comments

Boxy_Brown says:
June 11, 2012 at 3:12 pm

This article is garbage. Terry “Mother” Moy is NOT the “owner of owner of the bar where the incident is alleged to have occurred”. Terry Moy is a longtime Ventura crony and was at his inauguration.

Moy had nothing to do with it.

McP’s Irish Pub in Coronado California, where Ventura got punched, is owned by Greg McPartlin. The McPartlin family is the SOLE owner of the pub.

Infowars needs to print a retraction/correction on this. Again, Terry Moy doesn’t have any financial interest in McP’s, he wasn’t there and would have no way of knowing what went on.

As of now Kyle has 3 sworn affidavits that back his side of the story, all Ventura has is infowars who can’t get the story right.

A quick fact check says the above is correct and the infowars claims are just as phony as everything else that comes out of Alex Jones' mouth

a reply to: ANNED

So hell week = SEAL?

Is this all they had when Ventura was there? No 26 weeks to be a real SEAL like others are saying?

originally posted by: ANNED


And there are a lot of SEALS who disagree that he was one. There is even a petition going around NSW at having him struck from any "honorary" list.

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My friend Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, author of American Sniper, rightfully punched Jesse Ventura (Yes he was a UDT and considered a SEAL) in the mouth for being disrespectful to family of a fallen teammate. Everyone in our community knows Jesse got popped and is wondering when the hoax will end. All the SEALs I’ve talked to past and present, myself included, are still scratching their heads with Jesse’s apparent departure from the reservation of sanity. He’s off it and charging around like a wild-eyed UFO chaser.

To make matters worse for Jesse, I personally know that the family and the management of McP’s in Coronado are testifying on Chris’s behalf. I believe there’s around a dozen people who have come forward.


Read more: sofrep.com...

sofrep.com... rvation-of-sanity/

2012 Ventura filed a defamation lawsuit seeking monetary damages.

Ventura Embellishes the Truth

Jesse ‘the Body’ Ventura, as he was known during his professional wrestling career, has a history of ‘embellishing’. Until called out by real SEALS, Ventura often referred to himself as a Navy SEAL. He was regularly seen and photographed wearing a SEAL ‘Trident’ on his lapel.

After being criticized by Star Tribune of Minneapolis columnist Dennis Anderson over his commitment to land conservation and recreational hunting, Ventura said he was qualified to discuss land conservation policy because he had ‘hunted’ men in Vietnam.


“And I’ll just tell you this: Until you’ve hunted man, you haven’t hunted yet. Because you need to hunt something that can shoot back at you to really classify yourself as a hunter. You need to understand the feeling of what it’s like to go into the field and know your opposition can take you out. Not just go out there and shoot Bambi.”

Ventura did serve during the Vietnam period, but he NEVER saw any combat, NEVER hunted men, and most definitely did NOT earn a SEAL trident.

Ventura, was a UDT (Underwater Demolition Team) member. UDT members are divers, or ‘Frogs (short for frogmen). To be clear, Frogs were NOT Navy SEALs. From a controversial Playboy interview Ventura littered the conversation with SEAL but not UDT references –Ventura stonewalls questions of his wartime experience:


Playboy: You’ve never talked about what you did as a SEAL overseas. Did you do anything you’re ashamed of? Ventura: No.

Playboy: Would you like to talk about it? Ventura: No.

Playboy: Have you ever killed anyone? Ventura: You don’t ask a question like that – it’s inappropriate.

It’s inappropriate because Ventura NEVER saw combat. Ventura is a fraud that has traded on the reputation, bravery and honor of real heroes, the U.S. Navy SEALS.

He was never in a SEAL team and he was in UDT with positions in Korea and the Philippines which is why he always gets vague when asked about details of his Vietnam experience. Being on a boat in the South China Sea might get you a Vietnam service ribbon, but it's not the same as "hunting men in the Jungle."

A woman testified Monday that she saw someone punch Jesse Ventura in 2006 at a California bar, contradicting the former Minnesota governor’s insistence that the incident described in a slain military sniper’s autobiography never happened.

Laura deShazo of Salt Lake City was called as the first defense witness in Ventura’s defamation case against the estate of Kyle, who wrote in his book, “American Sniper,” that he punched a man he called “Scruff Face” that night. Kyle later identified the man as Ventura.

DeShazo said she was in the bar to attend the wake for a friend of Kyle’s. While there, she, her sister and her brother’s girlfriend posed for a picture with Ventura. DeShazo said she later saw Ventura get into a scuffle with other people at the bar and saw a man punch Ventura. She said she doesn’t know who threw the punch but gave a description that was consistent with Kyle.

www.navytimes.com... 4/NEWS/307140038/Witness-says-she-saw-Ventura-get-punched-in-bar

Ventura is a fraud and flim-flam man ever since he donned the tights. Some people look up to him simply because he is out there and ascribes to every conspiracy theory known to man, but is naught but a charlatan.

Spokesman John Wodele says it's acceptable for Ventura to use SEAL as short-hand for what he was, especially since the UDT's and SEALs merged in 1983, after Ventura left the service.

The Vietnam SEAL veteran who wrote the San Diego Reader article says the distinction does matter. Bill Salisbury says SEALs took bigger risks, and experienced worse casualties, than the UDTs.
Salisbury: We know what it's like to be in Vietnam as a SEAL. We know the terror you have to face day-in and day-out. And for somebody that spent most of his time floating around on a ship in the South China Sea to call himself a SEAL, we don't take that very well.
Ventura makes frequent reference to the ardors of SEAL training, but he does not talk about what kind of combat, if any, he saw in Vietnam. His standard line is that he's sworn to secrecy, a position Wodele echoes.
Wodele: Specific duties and responsibilities that he had while in Southeast Asia are something that was classified in nature, and not to be talked about.
Holman: Ha! There's so many books written by SEALS; if that were the truth. That's just so bogus.
Jim Holman, also a Vietnam combat veteran, is the editor of the San Diego Reader.
Holman: I mean, look up "SEALs" on Amazon or Bibliofinder, and you'll find tons of books by SEALs telling all their secrets.
Holman says the Salisbury article has whipped up an emotional reaction in San Diego, a Navy town with many cur

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originally posted by: ANNED
I know three retired navy Seals and all say because he did not ring out of hell week he is a Seal.

They say after hell week the navy ASIGNED you to ether a UDT team, a Seal team or a Special boat team for training.
You did not have a say in what group the navy sent you to.

All three groups worked together in training and combat and anyone can now claim being a seal because they passed the one thing all had to pass that is hell week.

The only difference between a a UDT team, a Seal team is how far ashore you went.

The UDT seldom went more the 300 up on the beach.
The Seals were combat operators that had no limits on how far they went.

Even the Special boat team member were trained to merge with a Seal team if the boat was taken out and fight there way out.

You could not be the weak link.

In some cases UDT would hold a beach extraction point for a Seal team and had to be just as combat ready as a seal team as they could be called to reinforce a Seal team in trouble.

Thats funny because I have an old hunting buddy who was UDT and when the subject came up he told me the exact opposite.

Nobody in this thread is saying UDT weren't bad arses in their own right however without the Trident you are not a SEAL.

Occam's Razor:

Jesse Ventura is not good for TV. He doesn't sound good, he doesn't look good, I imagine he's not no easy to work with. Television producers understand this.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Answer
I'm curious why anyone would believe Jesse's side of the story when he's known for being a loud, boisterous, full-of-crap caricature of himself that does whatever it takes to seek publicity. He loves to say unpopular things just to get people riled up.

The fact that he has continued the case against a dead warrior's family says everything you need to know about Jesse Ventura's character.

This. Include the facts that he's lied about being a SEAL for many years.

I saw an interview with Richard Marcinko once, he claimed on video that Ventura was part of his original team and his nic was stinky. I don't know but if it's any indication by a friend of mine that is retired SF he is a very serious person and his personality type doesn't seem to match the Seals and SF people I have met nor does the body type but during his tenure if it is true things were a little different.

originally posted by: MarlinGrace
I saw an interview with Richard Marcinko once, he claimed on video that Ventura was part of his original team and his nic was stinky. I don't know but if it's any indication by a friend of mine that is retired SF he is a very serious person and his personality type doesn't seem to match the Seals and SF people I have met nor does the body type but during his tenure if it is true things were a little different.

I do not think that was accurate. Marcinko details who he selected for his Teams and I do not recall Jesse being one of them. Dick is also rather upset with how this is being handled:

As far as Richard Marcinko goes, he has no axe to grind with Ventura and he made that very clear to me. But make no mistake, the first Commanding Officer of SEAL Team Six isn’t happy with the way Ventura is handling the situation.

I know many aren’t happy with Jesse Ventura. I know I am not. In fact, I would love nothing more than Ventura to run his mouth to me because I would have no issue doing the exact same thing Chris Kyle had done to him—knock him on his ass.
Source

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Answer
I'm curious why anyone would believe Jesse's side of the story when he's known for being a loud, boisterous, full-of-crap caricature of himself that does whatever it takes to seek publicity. He loves to say unpopular things just to get people riled up.

The fact that he has continued the case against a dead warrior's family says everything you need to know about Jesse Ventura's character.

This. Include the facts that he's lied about being a SEAL for many years.

I saw an interview with Richard Marcinko once, he claimed on video that Ventura was part of his original team and his nic was stinky. I don't know but if it's any indication by a friend of mine that is retired SF he is a very serious person and his personality type doesn't seem to match the Seals and SF people I have met nor does the body type but during his tenure if it is true things were a little different.

As Augustus correctly stated, Marcinko did not pick him for his team and is very pissed at Ventura at the moment.

originally posted by: NavyDoc
As Augustus correctly stated, Marcinko did not pick him for his team and is very pissed at Ventura at the moment.

Frankly I do not think their paths crossed at all and if they did it would have been brief. There was still that whole 'East Coast/West Coast Seal' thing going on with the guys on the east coast, like Dick, thinking they were better.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: NavyDoc
As Augustus correctly stated, Marcinko did not pick him for his team and is very pissed at Ventura at the moment.

Frankly I do not think their paths crossed at all and if they did it would have been brief. There was still that whole 'East Coast/West Coast Seal' thing going on with the guys on the east coast, like Dick, thinking they were better.

I just remember the interview and him saying in the interview Ventura was on his team and his nic was stinky. I thought it was the original but I could be wrong, but Ventura was referred to as stinky that I do remember. It has stuck with me for years. The video should still be around I will see if I can find it.

I thought it was odd because as I say, the operators I have met and my friend, Ventura is nothing like them.

It is my understanding that both kyle and Ventura served honorably for their country. It is beyond me to question that or judge either way.

But I do know many vets, including my father, step-father and brother (served in Iraq) and they DO NOT brag about their actions or conquests on the battlefield whatsoever.

To kill one man, let alone several, is not a mark of honor...but an emotional and psychological burden they must carry for the rest of their lives. I cannot begin to tell you what consequences come from taking a man's life.....but I'm sure a few of you know.

So, in my opinion, there is something wrong with Kyle altogether and I would not trust that man as far as I could throw him...and I could give him quite a toss.

It's possible that both sides of this issue are lying, but I have to question a man and his motives when he is willing to publish a book about being the "most lethal sniper in American history", and flaunt that all over the neo-con media machine.

originally posted by: buster2010

I am a vet so you can drop the non military types crap.

In true Buster2010 form, where is the proof that you are a Vet.

I don't buy it either.

And using Infowars as your source is pretty lame.

a reply to: buster2010


Sadly it appears to me that Venturas credibility has gone down the tube and he is willing to do or say what ever to make a buck , get a buck or stay in the limelight.

Here from your quotes he indicates that Kyle is responsible for his decline in his career and cancellation of his show.

his career was thriving until the book's publication but afterward work started to dry up, with a TV show on conspiracy theories that he had hosted for three seasons not being renewed for a fourth.

Than he goes on InfoCr@p and plays the cancellation of the show as he got to close to the truth and the TPTB got scared so they cancelled it.

www.theatlantic.com...

"It's clear they're doing everything they can to make it a failure so they don't have to renew it," Ventura said when he appeared on The Alex Jones Show's Infowars

They've chosen not to air it. TruTV, the network did. Who influenced truTV to do that, I do not know."

He is no different than the rest of the opportunist.

I wonder if the Chris Kyles attorney will use the video against Ventura or if they know its out there to throw the case out.

Ventura is a liar, he's good at lying learning to do "works & shoots" in wrestling. He was never a Seal, he was in UDT which did get added to Seals but seals do it all seal, air, land. Ventura never did any of that

As for people claiming no witness to the punch there were plenty

www.startribune.com...

Plus I saw Ventura with the black eye and puffy face afterward.

Ventura is a disgusting human, and plays his "redneck Wrasslin' heel" part to perfection.
He was ran out the country nearly and when stories not just Chris' came out at all the lies and frauds even television got away from him.

He tried to cone to forums to act all celebrity and get some "heat" another "wrasslin'" term
But good riddance to a disgusting human

Hope the Los Zetas find him in Mexico and do America a favor