News Reporter exposes Israel on live television.

originally posted by: rustyclutch
a reply to: jonnywhite

What do they make? What do they produce? What does the rest of the world buy from israel?

If memory serves me Israel makes SodaStreams...that's the big one.

I should also add in Mossad hits and baying for the blood of old men who are suspected of being Nazis ie John Demjanjuk

a reply to: Freenrgy2

I get what you are saying...but your argument is also lop sided.

People are complicated.

Brainwashed people are even more complicated.

Fanatically brainwashed people are even more complicated.

A mass of fanatically brainwashed people are likely the most complicated on earth.

Consider those people to be like your disabled/ challenged cousin or sibling even. How do you as just a plain old helping hand... Alleviate their unnecessary and likely inevitable self destruction?

And by sibling or single entity...I am metaphorically referring to both sides of a violent geopolireligious conflict.

Where when how and with what do you administer to your family member to help? If anything?

Instead of bantering on a dice throw in the virtual world. Perhaps we could use this space to think of and share potential solutions to a problem that needs to be solved. Pointing fingers won't help when your in a room where there are not innocents.

Vice News Dispatch 2


Please watch with care, it shows quite graphic images...
I'm always in shock watching humans being SO destructive.
I'm so sad/pissed/tired... Imagine how Palestinians feel...

originally posted by: flyingfish

originally posted by: Drunkenparrot

originally posted by: Revelations29
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

I keep asking this on this website but no one can give me an answer.

What did the Palestinian people have anything to do with WW2?

The Palestinians allied themselves with Nazi Germany.

Google Haj Amin al-Husseini.

Just like a good zionist they bring up the Mufi...They forget the Mufti was appointed by the British, by a Jewish man, Herbert Samuel, who also created the Supreme Muslim Council. Furthermore, Haj Amin al-Husseini was booted out of office in 1939. After the white paper of 1939 when the Brits finally promised the Palestinians a nation and a homeland, the support the Mufi got from Palestinains was very small. A large part of the Palestinians population supported the Brits fighting the Nazis in North Africa by sending their boys to fight along side the Tommie's.

Tortured attempts by Zionists to use Hajj Amin al-Husayni’s interactions with Nazis to tar all Palestinians (including the large number of Palestinian Christians) as having been at the forefront of the Final Solution represent an implicit acknowledgment that the moral calculus of Zionism doesn’t quite add up

Hmmm, one could just as easily say...

Just like a good anti Semite and Arab apologist they try to minimize and deflect from the incontrovertible fact that the Arab Palestinian leadership cooperated with and openly supported the blood thirsty despots of both fascist Germany and Italy.

Fortunately I am not a Zionist and I would hope you don't identify yourself as an anti Semite so the vitriol and innuendo is unnecessary, we are just two people with differing points of view expressing our beliefs.

ATS member Revelations29 asked...

What did the Palestinian people have anything to do with WW2?

Claiming that a large part of the Palestinian Arab population supported the British post 1939 and not the Axis powers is a stretch, where does that come from?

Historically, elements within the conservative Zionist population of Israel have absolutely done a lot of terrible things to anyone who stood in the way, be it geographically or politically. That doesn't entitle someone else to revise history and erase the fact that there was a lot of support for the Nazi agenda among the Arabic Palestinians.

The references I have seen state the Palestine Infantry Companies attached to the Royal East Kent Regiment comprised a scant 1200 Arab Palestinians, hardly a "large part" of a population of over one million.

In that vein, the Palestinian Jews contributed far more to the allied war effort in the Palmach and the Jewish brigades.

Insinuating the bulk of the Arabic Palestinian populations acceptance of Neville "peace in our time" Chamberlains failed attempt at appeasement outlined in the terms of the MacDonald White Paper of 1939 somehow implies a majority of the Arabic Palestinian population backed the British cause in North Africa is dishonest and untrue.

The majority of the Arabic world supported the terms of the White Paper of 1939 but the bulk of Palestinian Arabs ( and of course Zionists ) did not. The truth is the Palestinian Arabs had little choice over their destiny after the crushing defeat suffered at the hands of the British in the 1936–39 Arab revolt.

The terms of the MacDonald White Paper were more favorable to the Palestinian Arabs than the terms of the Palestine Mandate but the Palestinian Arabs still harbored no love for their British overlords.

Some 10% of the adult male Palestinian population were killed by British military troops supported by Zionist police during the Arab revolt. The after effects of the British policies enacted as a consequence of the Arab revolt,such as gun confiscation, continued through the Second World War and contributed to the Arab defeat in the 1948 war for Mandatory Palestine.

Al-Husseini was appointed Grand Mufti of Jerusalem by the British High Commissioner of Palestine( who happened to be a Jew ) but was elected as Chairman of the Arab Council by other Arabs. He fled Palestine for Lebanon to avoid arrest by the British during the Arab revolt in 1937, not as the result of a democratic consensus. Haj Amin al-Husseini enjoyed tremendous popularity and influence with the Palestinian Arabs well past the war.

Al-Husseini remained a relevant political figure despite the less radical Arab Leagues repeated attempts to sideline him until the Palestinian Government in exile was dissolved by Gamal Nasser in favor of a United Arab Republic in 1958. His refusal to cooperate with the emerging Palestinian Liberation Organization was his final undoing.

The Wikipedia entry on Haj Amin al-Husseini's historical significance had this quote from the reporter Robert Fisk which I thought was relevant to this discussion..

Robert Fisk, discussing the difficulties of describing al-Husseini's life and its motivations, summarized the problem in the following way:

Merely to discuss his life is to be caught up in the Arab-Israeli propaganda war. To make an impartial assessment of the man's career-or, for that matter, an unbiased history of the Arab-Israeli dispute- is like trying to ride two bicycles at the same time

70 years of obfuscation from both sides makes the idea that one can apply some kind of moral calculus based on anything resembling fact ridiculous.

It also doesn't change the fact that Haj Amin al-Husseini enjoyed popular support among the Palestinian Arabs in the 1940's while openly collaborating not only with the Nazi and fascist Italian Governments in various schemes, but recruiting extensively for Himmler's SS as well.

"'To the Grand Mufti: The National Socialist movement of Greater Germany has, since its inception, inscribed upon its flag the fight against the world Jewry.

It has therefore followed with particular sympathy the struggle of freedom-loving Arabs, especially in Palestine, against Jewish interlopers.

In the recognition of this enemy and of the common struggle against it lies the firm foundation of the natural alliance that exists between the National Socialist Greater Germany and the freedom-loving Muslims of the whole world.

In this spirit I am sending you on the anniversary of the infamous Balfour declaration my hearty greetings and wishes for the successful pursuit of your struggle until the final victory

– Reichsfuehrer S.S. Heinrich Himmler"

Mandatory Palestine/Allied and Axis activity

Israel is literally surrounded on all sides by enemies, look at a map. Anyone of those countries could assist Palestine more than they do, or band together and attack Israel, they haven't the guts. Israel has survived this long and continues to because Jews got tired of running, hiding and being slaughtered.

I like Israel and it's survivalist attitude, and I relate to it a whole lot more than it's backwards neighbors who'd all still be living in tents in the desert if ARAMCO hadn't come and developed their oil resources.

Israel is the best thing to happen to the middle east since living creatures converted into fossil fuels. Do your historical research before crying about the plight of Palestine. Nobody wanted that land till Israel turned into something worth wanting.

originally posted by: soulwaxer

originally posted by: hidn60
a reply to: RocksFromSpace

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The best question to ask yourself is: What would you do in Israels shoes?

Give the land back to the Palestinians and bow my head in shame.

soulwaxer

Israel did exactly that. This is why Gaza is ruled by Hamas. How do you not understand that?

originally posted by: Anglojew

originally posted by: soulwaxer

originally posted by: hidn60
a reply to: RocksFromSpace

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The best question to ask yourself is: What would you do in Israels shoes?

Give the land back to the Palestinians and bow my head in shame.

soulwaxer

Israel did exactly that. This is why Gaza is ruled by Hamas. How do you not understand that?

Have you heard of the occupied territories ?
I'm sure there's a crash course on Middle East history somewhere on the web ...

originally posted by: Another_Nut
a reply to: buster2010

Um yes we do

And we do much much worse

Depleted rounds
drone bombings
of and the invasion of at least two countries since 9/11

You are wrong

I love how posters on here attack Israel for invading the same country they say Israel occupies in the next breath. Either they occupy it or they don't. Gaza isn't occupied. It does ban jews from living there though.

originally posted by: samsamm9

originally posted by: Anglojew

originally posted by: soulwaxer

originally posted by: hidn60
a reply to: RocksFromSpace

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The best question to ask yourself is: What would you do in Israels shoes?

Give the land back to the Palestinians and bow my head in shame.

soulwaxer

Israel did exactly that. This is why Gaza is ruled by Hamas. How do you not understand that?

Have you heard of the occupied territories ?
I'm sure there's a crash course on Middle East history somewhere on the web ...

Gaza isn't occupied it's ruled by Hamas.

You're contradicting yourself.

The world would be a more peaceful place if Israel never existed. Throughout history, Jews have sewn nothing but strife around the world.

Does Israel have a right to exist? No more so than does Palestine. And if Israel can't accept that, then they deserve every rocket that touches the earth.

originally posted by: DerekJR321
The world would be a more peaceful place if Israel never existed. Throughout history, Jews have sewn nothing but strife around the world.

Does Israel have a right to exist? No more so than does Palestine. And if Israel can't accept that, then they deserve every rocket that touches the earth.

Israel would have a legitimate right to exist if it had the consent of the people who actually lived there, if they had negotiated, paid for the land - but they took it by force - and the people who were robbed of their homes and their basic human rights have never been compensated.

You could say, well those battles happened long ago, move on already - well I am sure the Palestinian people would like nothing more than to move on - but the war against them continues on a daily basis. This is not something that happened long ago, it is a continuing policy of oppression that is enacted daily.

They have been murdered, denied freedom and denied equality under law. Inside Israel the laws separate Israeli's and Arab's - the Arabs do not get equal treatment - it is a blatantly racist regime.

This racial supremacy is based on their vile religion which tells them that by virtue of race they deserve to treat others as less then human. The hypocrisy of calling out others for 'anti-semitism' when their entire culture is based on racial discrimination is disgusting.

Don't really care who is right or wrong in this fight, rothschild globalists vs islamic fundamentalists. But the reporter is framing this incorrectly, and I am personally a fan of RT and this woman.

Civilians on the gaza side are being killed because they(hamas) are firing from civilian structures. This is a common military tactic when you want to frame the opposition negatively at the expense of your people. She could have asked any person who has fought in a recent war and been told this.

This was very common in Iraq and I personally have seen and dismantled artillery set in schools, hospitals, ect. If hamas is using this tactic they bear a large part of the responsibility for intentionally exposing their civilian population.

Like I said, don't care who is right or wrong, but if you fire from a position filled with civilians, there is a good chance they will get killed in return fire. Not impressed with the lack of objectivity in this report.

originally posted by: DerekJR321
The world would be a more peaceful place if Israel never existed. Throughout history, Jews have sewn nothing but strife around the world.

Does Israel have a right to exist? No more so than does Palestine. And if Israel can't accept that, then they deserve every rocket that touches the earth.

Prove jews have "sewn strife throughout history."

Are all Jews a collective anyway?

I could easily say the same thing about Muslims or Christians but I'm not stupid enough to view them as collectives.

Israel would have a legitimate right to exist if it had the consent of the people who actually lived there, if they had negotiated, paid for the land - but they took it by force - and the people who were robbed of their homes and their basic human rights have never been compensated.

You could say, well those battles happened long ago, move on already - well I am sure the Palestinian people would like nothing more than to move on - but the war against them continues on a daily basis. This is not something that happened long ago, it is a continuing policy of oppression that is enacted daily.

They have been murdered, denied freedom and denied equality under law. Inside Israel the laws separate Israeli's and Arab's - the Arabs do not get equal treatment - it is a blatantly racist regime.

This racial supremacy is based on their vile religion which tells them that by virtue of race they deserve to treat others as less then human. The hypocrisy of calling out others for 'anti-semitism' when their entire culture is based on racial discrimination is disgusting.

They didn't take it by force.

Jews did buy land originally and legally.

Then the UN partitioned the remaining 25% of Palestine (after 75% went to the Jordanian Arabs).

The Arabs rejected a Jewish state and attacked.

Israel defended and won.

Wow the you launch into a crude anti-Jewish tirade. Both Christianity and Islam are more supremacist than Judaism anyway.

You're right. She kind of wrapped things up in a good compact summary. People decidedly listen to her.
They are many independent reporters that did this already. But none will be too much. I've seen many public people from many countries are stirring up sentiments over the Net. It's a war here too and hopefully, the public opinion wins and THEN, Finally....our leader may consider stepping up their game to tell off Israel.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

originally posted by: Everlastingknowitall


These Israel haters are the same ones who deny the holocaust happened. Realists? I think not.

EVERYONE, This is what happens when anyone criticises Israel, in a nutshell.

Ignoring the fact that Israel are doing a very similar thing to what the Nazi's did.

If anything the "israel haters" are more and likely the ones who actually studied history, or in some cases
have actually lived through it.

The people who disagree with Israel are generally also the ones that don't think it's right a whole race of people should be persecuted for another 60 years and shouldn't be wiped off the map simply because of the colour of their skin and their religion.

Propaganda is live and well if you think Israel do not suppress the palenstinian people, I legit thought everyone knew that.

a reply to: Taggart

Totally agree mate.

What's even more lopsided apart from the $hitty BBC reporting on the whole affair is how we are being told daily that this is a "Conflict between Israel and Hamas" as if such a thing is even correct.

There is no conflict, a conflict would mean equally matched opponents but what we have here is a group elected by the Palestinians and an aggressive military might (funded by US tax dollars).

By right this would mean that every American is subservient to the Zionist regime because their US tax dollars (and other undisclosed funds) go to Israel, billions of dollars.

We have an aggressive regime demolishing a race of people so Israel (the regime) doesn't have my sympathy but it's always the innocent people that feel the pain and right now Gaza is bleeding.

a reply to: Anglojew

Gaza is a strip of land (what's left of it), Palestine is occupied and oppressed, all of it.

originally posted by: old_god
a reply to: Anglojew

Gaza is a strip of land (what's left of it), Palestine is occupied and oppressed, all of it.

Well then you don't believe in peace but only the destruction of Israel. Not much point engaging in dialogue if that's your viewpoint.

originally posted by: Anglojew

originally posted by: old_god
a reply to: Anglojew

Gaza is a strip of land (what's left of it), Palestine is occupied and oppressed, all of it.

Well then you don't believe in peace but only the destruction of Israel. Not much point engaging in dialogue if that's your viewpoint.

let them bitch, it ain't gonna change nothing.

israel will do what it has to.