Hobby Lobby wins Supreme Court case, limits the ACA contraception mandate

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a reply to: bbracken677

Of course she can go to ANY doctor and get a prescription for ANY approved contraception

She can't go to any doctor and have her insurance cover the DR's visit or the prescription. She can go to any doctor if she want's to pay out of pocket.

and then fill the prescription at ANY drugstore. She will have to pay $10+ depending on what it is, but her ACCESS to contraception is not reduced one bit.

LOL! IUDs aren't $10! Plan B will cost you more that $10 bucks too.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

They can still go to their doctor and get it.

No they can't. Please cite you source.

Call a doctor. Thats my source for this stupidity. CALL A DOCTOR AND ASK. CALL WALGREENS AND ASK. CALL CVS AND FREAKING ASK.

I feel like I am arguing with my 4 year old granddaughter. Problem is...I believe she would actually understand what I was saying instead of being so fracking pig headed.

a reply to: bbracken677

There is also nothing in the Constitution about being forced to purchase health insurance.

The Supreme Court has not been on the people's side for decades. The oligarchy is firmly in place.

a reply to: windword

Finally...you get it!! She still has access.

I disagree about the doc visit being covered, however. Just the prescription.

Regarding the $10...you did notice the + sign I added indicating 10 and up?

So, this hypothetical woman just HAS to have the most expensive contraception possible and expects me to pay for it? ummm... no!

originally posted by: bbracken677

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask


What part of refusing to provide certain methods of contraception don't you understand? No these women can't go to their doctor's who are paid by Hobby Lobby insurance and get something that's not covered.

Are you nuts? Of course she can go to ANY doctor and get a prescription for ANY approved contraception and then fill the prescription at ANY drugstore. She will have to pay $10+ depending on what it is, but her ACCESS to contraception is not reduced one bit.

What the hell makes you think she cannot get contraceptives just because some (SOME) specific ones are not covered? To suggest otherwise is ... mind boggling to say the least.

so you would favor men paying for their own Viagra and vasectomies rather than the health insurance company at hobby lobby, right?

a reply to: jrod

Actually...there is, in a sense. The govt cannot force you to purchase a product.

Obama Admin argued that ACA was a "tax" and not a product (even though...we are buying from a corporation and not paying the govt, right?) and SCOTUS bought that crap and upheld ACA.

Otherwise it's unconstitutional for the govt to require a person to purchase a product of any kind.

The IUD is the most inexpensive long-term and reversible form of birth control you can get. Unlike other forms of birth control, the IUD only costs money in the beginning. The cost for the medical exam, the IUD, the insertion of the IUD, and follow-up visits to your health care provider can range from $500 to $1,000.

Depending on the types of pills, the emergency contraception pill costs between $10 and $80. Many health insurance plans cover the cost of emergency contraception and family planning clinics (such as Planned Parenthood) may charge much less.

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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

They can still go to their doctor and get it.

No they can't. Please cite you source.

I'm honestly confounded. Do you seriously believe that you can't go to your doctor and ask for birth control and have it prescribed to you?

Me and my wife recently got married. Before she was on my insurance she had no insurance.

I know crazy concept. But she went to her doctor and asked for birth control and magically she got a prescription and went and paid for it.....

This thought that you can't go to your doctor and get a prescription because it's not covered by your insurance proves to me you have absolutely NO IDEA how the health system works...

Further more it illuminates the reason why people are so in an uproar over this....lack of education apparently on what one can and cannot do w out insurance.....

You can pay for anything out of pocket.....

Your rights have not been infringed

a reply to: bbracken677

Here is the effing path. Jesus!

The woman goes to the doctor (just as before). The woman tells the doc she needs "the pill" (whatever that is) (JUST AS BEFORE). The doctor writes a prescription (JUST AS EFFING BEFORE). She takes the prescription to the drugstore and fills it. JUST AS BEFORE!!!!!!

That!!! is the freaking pathway to contraceptives. Get it? Jeez man...wtf?

Here's snippet from the Supreme Court ruling. They are musing over ways to provide disenfranchised women access to the contraception that they are UNABLE TO GET!

The Government could, e.g., assume the cost of providing the four contraceptives to women unable to obtain coverage due to their employers’ religious objections

You're wrong. Admit it and chill out, Dude!

a reply to: jimmyx

I have no problem paying for my own viagra. Why should anyone else pay for my hard-on?

I would (and did not!) ever get a vasectomy. Period. No one with a knife is getting close to my gonads. Thats not a religious choice...it's a personal one involving me and my nuts.

a reply to: bbracken677

The US will fail if we do not adopt a more socialistic healthcare system. We are failing.

Every other civilized country in the world gives women access to free birth control. The US forces women to jump through hoops and pay an inflated price if they do not have healthcare.

A lifetime supply of birth control is far cheaper than paying for an infant on welfare.

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: windword

Finally...you get it!! She still has access.

I disagree about the doc visit being covered, however. Just the prescription.

Regarding the $10...you did notice the + sign I added indicating 10 and up?

So, this hypothetical woman just HAS to have the most expensive contraception possible and expects me to pay for it? ummm... no!

hobby lobbys insurance company is paying for Viagra and vasectomies, but, that's ok, right?

a reply to: windword

They are musing over ways to provide disenfranchised women access to the contraception that they are UNABLE TO GET!

Not 'unable to get'...

Unwilling to pay for.

a reply to: bbracken677

Call a doctor. Thats my source for this stupidity. CALL A DOCTOR AND ASK. CALL WALGREENS AND ASK. CALL CVS AND FREAKING ASK.

DUDE! Calm down! You'd think you're the one being denied an IUD! And, by the way, women can't get IUDs at Walgreens!

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: windword

Finally...you get it!! She still has access.

I disagree about the doc visit being covered, however. Just the prescription.

Regarding the $10...you did notice the + sign I added indicating 10 and up?

So, this hypothetical woman just HAS to have the most expensive contraception possible and expects me to pay for it? ummm... no!

hobby lobbys insurance company is paying for Viagra and vasectomies, but, that's ok, right?

And....
They are paying for 14 approved contraceptive methods for women.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: windword

No hobby lobby employees lost the right to have one type of contraception privded FOR then. Emergency contraception...

Four, to be exact. One of them being RU486, which is an abortifacient.

They can still go to their doctor and get it.

Plan B, One Step, Take Action and My Way are available OTC without a script. You can walk into a Walgreens, present ID and purchase it. Ella, however must be prescribed by a doctor. IMO, all of these should be prescribed, because they present dangerous side effects. My sister in law almost died after taking Plan B, and lost her uterus at the age of 22.

I feel like I'm watching people throw a temper tantrum cause they didn't get the right video game for Christmas even though they were bought a box full.....

No rights were infringed. You can still go get it.....

I agree with you. No access has been blocked to any birth control devices/pills, abortifacients and abortion procedures. There are some medications my insurance will not cover, so I pay for them out of pocket.

And ...weird I know....if having emergency contraception is that so all important you can go work somewhere else that provides it.....I would state that if it's that huge of an issue and all the others they provide aren't good enough. Your priorities are seriously out of whack

True. We are free to work for whatever company we choose. I would prefer to work for someone whose ideals are in line with mine. I realize that can't always happen... but I honestly, as a woman, do not expect my employer to cover abortion procedures. And yes, the RU486 is considered an abortion procedure.

a reply to: windword

There you have it. The Supreme Court DID rule that using contraception IS A RIGHT.

No, it did not.

Read Griswold. The issue was privacy, because there is no Constitutional right to birth control.

Then read Eisenstadt. The issue was discrimination, not whether there was a Constitutional right to birth control.

Then read Roe. The issue was privacy, because there is no Constitutional right to abortion.

You can't put things into the Constitution that aren't there. That's why these rulings are so confusing at times, because the judges have to apply the things that ARE in the Constitution to issues that are not directly related -- you have a right to privacy, and you have a right not to be discriminated against, but you do not have a Constitutional right to birth control or an abortion.

And you certainly do not have a right to free birth control, which is, for at least the third time, what this decision was in regards to.

a reply to: butcherguy

Not 'unable to get'...

Unwilling to pay for.

These women are already paying their insurance premiums, deductibles and co-pays. The law says that they are entitled to those contraceptive methods in the insurance coverage they already paying for. It's their employer that's refusing to pay and withholding access.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: bbracken677

Call a doctor. Thats my source for this stupidity. CALL A DOCTOR AND ASK. CALL WALGREENS AND ASK. CALL CVS AND FREAKING ASK.

DUDE! Calm down! You'd think you're the one being denied an IUD! And, by the way, women can't get IUDs at Walgreens!

LOL unfortunately someone has to put that in. A DIY IUD sounds frightening to me!