Iraq crisis: Isis jihadists 'seize Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons stockpile' - live

a reply to: JJRichey

RAID BY TF 1-172 AR IN RAMADI: 2 DET, 0 INJ/DAMAGE
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AT 072215D SEP05, TF 1-172 AR (A 3-172 IN) DETAINED (2) MAMS WHILE CONDUCTING A TARGETED RAID IN SOUTHWESTERN AR RAMADI (38S LB 3886 9886). (1) MAM WAS IDENTIFIED AS AMAR ABOUD YACOUB, SUSPECTED OF TRANSPORTING FOREIGN FIGHTERS FROM SYRIA TO AR RAMADI AND FOR PLANTING IEDS FOR AN UNKNOWN INSURGENT GROUP. AMAR ABOUD IS A TF 1-172 AR HVT. THE IDENTITY OF THE OTHER MAM HAS YET TO BE DETERMINED. A 3-172 IN ALSO DISCOVERED A POSSIBLE IED-MAKING FACTORY AT THE LOCATION WHERE THE MAMS WERE DETAINED. EOD WAS REQUESTED, INFORMATION PENDING RESULTS OF EOD ASSESSMENT OF THE LOCATION. THE (2) DETAINEES WERE TRANSPORTED TO RAMADI DETENTION FACILITY FOR QUESTIONING. THE CHEMICALS FOUND BY 172 AR ARE AS FOLLOWS.CASTOR OIL: CASTOR SEEDS ARE USED IN PRODUCTION OF RICIN, A VERY TOXIC BIOLOGICAL AGENT, BUT CASTOR OIL IS STABLE. POTASSIUM HYDROXIDE: THIS IS A COMPONENT OF COMMON DECONTAMINANTS FOR NERVE AGENTS. IT CAN ALSO BE USED AS A BASE FOR CERTAIN BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS. POTASSIUM HYDROXIDE MAY REACT WITH WATER AND OTHER SUBSTANCES GENERATING SUFFICIENT HEAT TO IGNITE COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS. POTASSIUM CARBONATE: THIS CAN BE USED AS A PROPELLANT (A BURN RATE MODIFIER). POTASSIUM PERMANGANATE: CAN BE USED IN PREPARING HOMEMADE EXPLOSIVES  A FLASH POWDER FOR IEDS (HAS BEEN USED IN IEDS FOUND IN PAKISTAN). GLYCERINE: COMPONENT IN OBSCURANTS. AMMONIUM CHLORIDE: COMPONENT IN OBSCURANTS. AMMONIUM CHLORIDE CAN BE USED AS A PROPELLANT WHEN MIXED WITH OTHER MATERIAL (SODIUM PERCHLORATE). MANGANESE: NOTHING DANGEROUS WITH THIS CHEMICAL. FORMALDEHYDE: WHEN COMBINED WITH HEXAMETHYLENETETRAMINE FORMS THE EXPLOSIVE RDX. FORMALDEHYDE CAN ALSO BE USED AS A DECONTAMINANT. NO CASUALTIES OR DAMAGES REPORTED.

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The chemicals are still there for probably anyone with a know that still is in Iraq and sympathetic to ISIS could probably get them or make them, this was back in 05, back then and probably as is now there are thousands of former Ba'athist and all around guerilla that could stand to profit from ISIS and or have similar goals to destabilize the region.

a reply to: Brotherman

Hmm, thats actually when I was at Camp Fallujah, and our unit probably had Marines near Ramadi if I remember correctly.
I'm not surprised, sounds like supplies for an IED factory. And you're right, the materials are probably still all over Iraq, the wrong people just need to find them and use em.

a reply to: neo96

Ok WHAT ?

How can Iraq not have wmd then have WMD then in 2009 be 'required' to dispose of them?

But Bush lied!

You know the difference between declared and undeclared right?

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: DelMarvel
Also from the OP's link:

17.05 The Chemical Weapons Convention, which Iraq joined in 2009, requires it to dispose of the material at Al Muthanna, even though it was declared unusable and "does not pose a significant security risk"

Declared by who ?

By the same people who didn't see the 'fall' of Iraq coming.

The point being that if we're going to accept the credibility of the OP's article reporting that the stockpile was found why aren't we accepting the credibility of the article when it reports the stockpile is unusable?

Confirmation bias?

a reply to: boncho

Considering the importance of chemical weapons.

Stands to reason that someone would have checked.

And got rid of them.

But no one did that.

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: DelMarvel
Also from the OP's link:

17.05 The Chemical Weapons Convention, which Iraq joined in 2009, requires it to dispose of the material at Al Muthanna, even though it was declared unusable and "does not pose a significant security risk"

Declared by who ?


By the same people who didn't see the 'fall' of Iraq coming.

The point being that if we're going to accept the credibility of the OP's article reporting that the stockpile was found why aren't we accepting the credibility of the article when it reports the stockpile is unusable?

Confirmation bias?

The people who run this country have no credibility as they DID NOT see the events in Iraq coming.

or in Syria, or in Libya.

Because of the people who are saying they are 'unusable'.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: DelMarvel
Also from the OP's link:

17.05 The Chemical Weapons Convention, which Iraq joined in 2009, requires it to dispose of the material at Al Muthanna, even though it was declared unusable and "does not pose a significant security risk"

Declared by who ?


By the same people who didn't see the 'fall' of Iraq coming.

The point being that if we're going to accept the credibility of the OP's article reporting that the stockpile was found why aren't we accepting the credibility of the article when it reports the stockpile is unusable?

Confirmation bias?

The people who run this country have no credibility as they DID NOT see the events in Iraq coming.

or in Syria, or in Libya.

Because of the people who are saying they are 'unusable'.

Only thing we agree on here is that the people who run the country have NO CREDIBILITY. Funny how you can say they didn't see the events in Iraq coming when the Vice President under BUSH predicted them exactly back in 1994:



But wait... I thought you said nobody saw it coming? How is it Cheney did in 1994, but not in 2003? Yet exactly what he predicted in 94 is what we are now seeing in the aftermath of his and Bush jr.'s actions?

a reply to: DeadSeraph

Still trolling I see.

I said the current administration didn't see it coming.

But hey nice trolling there.

Since all those events happened under it's watch.

Syria,Libya,Iraq.

Left Iraq, and it thought it would be all rainbows and unicorns.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: DeadSeraph

Still trolling I see.

I said the current administration didn't see it coming.

But hey nice trolling there.

Since all those events happened under it's watch.

Syria,Libya,Iraq.

Left Iraq, and it thought it would be all rainbows and unicorns.

I see. So now I'm trolling because I'm calling you out? You keep shifting the goal posts and I am still scoring goals. Guess that makes me a troll?

So now you want to blame the current administration for the Iraq war even though it's been proven to you that members of the FORMER administration already knew what was going to happen and chose not to invade once, and then went ahead and did it anyways under Bush jr. It amazes me the lengths you are willing to go to in order to twist your way into justifying Bush Jr's actions.

What exactly do you have invested in this situation? Why is it you desperately need to justify Bush Jr's decision to invade? Why do you insist on blaming the democrats for this mess (they certainly have their hands dirty as well), while shirking the responsibility the republicans should hold in all of this?

a reply to: DeadSeraph

Called out on what ?

The Washington Post noted last December: U.S. officials are increasingly worried that Syria’s weapons of mass destruction could fall into the hands of Islamist extremists, rogue generals or other uncontrollable factions. Last week, fighters from a group that the Obama administration has branded a terrorist organization were among rebels who seized the Sheik Suleiman military base near Aleppo, where research on chemical weapons had been conducted. Rebels are also closing in on another base near Aleppo, known as Safirah, which has served as a major production center for such munitions, according to U.S. officials and analysts.

www.globalresearch.ca...

WASHINGTON – A 100-page report on an investigation turned over to the United Nations by Russia concludes that the Syrian rebels – not the Syrian government – used the nerve agent sarin in an attack in the Syrian city of Aleppo last March Read more at www.wnd.com...

WASHINGTON— Obama administration officials said they believe they must respond quickly to the Syrian government's alleged use of chemical weapons, or else the regime will deploy them again in Syria's largest city, now a key stronghold of the opposition.

online.wsj.com...

The only thing I have seen is someone WILLFULY ignoring CURRENT events.

That ANYONE could see coming well those who aren't blinded with petty bigotry.

So, seeing all the bickering about WMDs and Iraq, I decided to be brave and look at what should be the number one source, logically, on Iraq WMD information. The CIA:

www.cia.gov...

Scanning down it, Saddam had chemical weapons (namely mustard gas) in the 80's that he was actually using. Fine, so maybe it's old mustard gas. Another thing caught my eye though on the CIA page under "bioweapons". Saddam was performing open air bioweapons tests with the dreaded....Bacillus Subtilis. No way! Doing tests with a form of bacteria that is...sometimes found in our food supplies. That's right, this noxious bioweapon on the CIA sight may cause indigestion in some but for the rest?

It's a probiotic in healthy people.

Saddam...helping people go poo since 1988. Well, he was until he died...

a reply to: WhiteAlice

It is only a matter of time before MERS becomes weaponized.

Although some say 'someone' is testing it out already which explains the outbreaks.

originally posted by: WhiteAlice
So, seeing all the bickering about WMDs and Iraq, I decided to be brave and look at what should be the number one source, logically, on Iraq WMD information. The CIA:

www.cia.gov...

Scanning down it, Saddam had chemical weapons (namely mustard gas) in the 80's that he was actually using. Fine, so maybe it's old mustard gas. Another thing caught my eye though on the CIA page under "bioweapons". Saddam was performing open air bioweapons tests with the dreaded....Bacillus Subtilis. No way! Doing tests with a form of bacteria that is...sometimes found in our food supplies. That's right, this noxious bioweapon on the CIA sight may cause indigestion in some but for the rest?

It's a probiotic in healthy people.

Saddam...helping people go poo since 1988. Well, he was until he died...

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: WhiteAlice

It is only a matter of time before MERS becomes weaponized.

Although some say 'someone' is testing it out already which explains the outbreaks.

Just so you know, as a biology major, I actually learned to perform a Gram stain on B. subtilis in my second year of Biology at my local college. That's how much of a "threat" B. subtilis is--they allow noob bio students to work with it.

a reply to: neo96

Hey...wait a minute...isn't this the same old dirty tricks Dubya used on everyone back in 2003? Perhaps we take his advice on it this time.

a reply to: Sparkymedic

Last time I checked.

W doesn't work at the White House anymore.

But some people don't really seem to care.

a reply to: neo96

Why would it matter if he works there now or not? He started it...Obama allowed it to turn into what it is now. Why pick sides on a coin that has two of the same sides?

Obama...Bush...I see no difference. They are both useless politician scum.

So there are some that would point fingers at one party or another when there are enough involved from both parties to blame. Those aren't the right answers to this "puzzle". Gotta ask why. Why is this happening now and what does it mean. Bickering over the small stuff like "parties" when it is just in your face about it. This is the US Government for crying out loud. They get what they want... even incompetence (Bush, Obama... Clinton.. Bush... Reagan... Hoover.. the list is long)> Just PICK a President since right after this country''s inception... and you will find skullduggery.

Pfft.. besides, we got people in this country like this...



So...

They will get their war. By crook or by hook, they will have it.

EDIT:

Yea.. I'm about half drunk. Hope I don't have to forheadsmack myself for this post in the morning.

a reply to: Terminal1

That is one of the most depressing videos I have ever seen on the internet.

Rainbows....

RAINBOWS....

a reply to: Sparkymedic

It is isn't it.

I can't believe it myself... but there ya go. Country is FULL of them.

BTW: I love America