Texas GOP endorses ‘treatment’ for homosexuality

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
a reply to: smithjustinb

Only each individual will ever know that.

Exactly.

Anyway, your original claim was that there was 0% conversion success.

The American Psychological Association undertook a study of the peer-reviewed literature in the area of sexual orientation change efforts (SOCE) and found a myriad of issues with the procedures used in conducting the research. The taskforce did find that that some participants experienced a lessening of same sex attraction and arousal, but that these instances were "rare" and "uncommon." The taskforce concluded that, "given the limited amount of methodically sound research, claims that recent SOCE is effective are not supported.

The issue here is that the methods of converting are ineffective, but conversions have occurred. Hence, the need for better research. Joy deserves the help she seeks and an endorsement by key political powers, such as Rick Perry, may help her get that help.

Let the gay people who want to be gay be gay. Let the gay people who want to be straight have hope.

a reply to: smithjustinb

I stand by my statement. If a person is gay and then not gay - they weren't gay to begin with.

Edit Have hope? Hope for what? You write as though there's something wrong with being gay.

I think some people are coming at this issue from the perspective that sexualit is a choice. I'm sure that if they considered their own sexuality, they can apply the same rule to other people's sexuality and realise that it simply cannot be changed.

a reply to: smithjustinb

So religious extremists are able to get ahold of some people ... use electric shocks on them ... use nausea inducing drugs on them ... fill their head with guilt laden nonsense ... and get a handful to change behaviors (not their orientation, but just their behaviors) .... and even though the VAST MAJORITY of people who go through this barbaric change therapy end up depressed and suicidal even though they weren't before hand, and the vast majority don't change their behavior that's worth the risk to you

So ..you'd risk depression and suicide upon hundreds, all so that one might change behavior ... change a behavior that's within the established normal variant of human sexuality ...

Sure you would. You aren't the one almost certainly facing massive depression and suicide. Wow dude .. that's seriously messed up.

a reply to: FlyersFan

In the member's defence, the gays apparently want all that.

That was meant to be a joke but I vomited in my mouth as I typed.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: smithjustinb

So religious extremists are able to get ahold of some people ... use electric shocks on them ... use nausea inducing drugs on them ... fill their head with guilt laden nonsense ... and get a handful to change behaviors (not their orientation, but just their behaviors) .... and even though the VAST MAJORITY of people who go through this barbaric change therapy end up depressed and suicidal even though they weren't before hand, and the vast majority don't change their behavior that's worth the risk to you

So ..you'd risk depression and suicide upon hundreds, all so that one might change behavior ... change a behavior that's within the established normal variant of human sexuality ...

Sure you would. You aren't the one almost certainly facing massive depression and suicide. Wow dude .. that's seriously messed up.

Its like you're hearing what you want to hear, and filling in the gaps with stories about what I said of your own.

The current treatment options are unacceptable.

That's why I said we need to do more research!



I don't know how much clearer I could make that to you than putting it in 6pt font.

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
a reply to: smithjustinb

I stand by my statement. If a person is gay and then not gay - they weren't gay to begin with.

Edit Have hope? Hope for what? You write as though there's something wrong with being gay.

Im not going to comment on that. We'll get nowhere for sure.

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: smithjustinb

So religious extremists are able to get ahold of some people ... use electric shocks on them ... use nausea inducing drugs on them ... fill their head with guilt laden nonsense ... and get a handful to change behaviors (not their orientation, but just their behaviors) .... and even though the VAST MAJORITY of people who go through this barbaric change therapy end up depressed and suicidal even though they weren't before hand, and the vast majority don't change their behavior that's worth the risk to you

So ..you'd risk depression and suicide upon hundreds, all so that one might change behavior ... change a behavior that's within the established normal variant of human sexuality ...

Sure you would. You aren't the one almost certainly facing massive depression and suicide. Wow dude .. that's seriously messed up.

Its like you're hearing what you want to hear, and filling in the gaps with stories about what I said of your own.

The current treatment options are unacceptable.

That's why I said we need to do more research!



I don't know how much clearer I could make that to you than putting it in 6pt font.

You give off the impression that you only want the research to continue until your point of view is somehow confirmed. I'm still baffled about why you think that masturbation is perverted.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
I'm still baffled about why you think that masturbation is perverted.

Then scroll back through the thread to where I already explained myself.

originally posted by: smithjustinb
I don't know how much clearer I could make that to you than putting it in 6pt font.

There is no need for any treatment.
I don't know how much clearer I could make that to you than putting it in 6pt font.



Homosexuality is a natural human sexuality variant. There is nothing wrong with it. No one wants to be changed unless a bunch of religious propaganda is shoved down their throats about them supposedly going to hell because of homosexuality. Leviticus nonsense.

People need to stay the heck away from this so-called 'conversion therapy'. Electric shock treatments and nausea inducing drugs are administered ... along with a whole lot of bronze age mentality propaganda. People need to evolve and leave others alone ... others who are doing just fine without the interference.

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
I'm still baffled about why you think that masturbation is perverted.

Then scroll back through the thread to where I already explained myself.

I did, but your explanation made no sense to me. You simply said that it was perverted, mentioned something about the libido and left it at that. I don't think that there's a single shrink (outside the Catholic Church, obviously) that claims that masturbation is wrong these days.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
There is nothing wrong with it.

Tell that to the people that want to change.

No one wants to be changed unless a bunch of religious propaganda is shoved down their throats about them supposedly going to hell because of homosexuality.

Maybe they want to change because they want to have kids. Maybe they want to change because they want to live like straight people (even without straight people pressuring them to do so). Maybe its a moral thing to them. Maybe they aren't necessarily bullied, but are personally convicted through their own observation of how the world works that they should be straight.

You put all your opponents in your tiny religious box and you think that covers all bases. There are numerous situations and they don't all involve criticism/bullying pressures or religious pressures. There is a lot to consider. Anyone who decides they don't want to be gay has made that decision and that's their desire, despite the cause, anyway.

To say, "no one wants to be changed" is a short-sighted and frankly wrong statement.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
I'm still baffled about why you think that masturbation is perverted.

Then scroll back through the thread to where I already explained myself.

I did, but your explanation made no sense to me. You simply said that it was perverted, mentioned something about the libido and left it at that. I don't think that there's a single shrink (outside the Catholic Church, obviously) that claims that masturbation is wrong these days.

Keep looking. Its something I said after that.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
People need to evolve and leave others alone ... others who are doing just fine without the interference.

Do you think I am, or what I'm promoting, is interfering with people's lives?

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: FlyersFan
People need to evolve and leave others alone ... others who are doing just fine without the interference.

Do you think I am, or what I'm promoting, is interfering with people's lives?

I think you have no idea of the damage that can be done to people over this, yes.

originally posted by: smithjustinb
Do you think I am, or what I'm promoting, is interfering with people's lives?

ABSOLUTELY.
Homosexuals don't have to change to have kids.
Homosexuals don't have to change to 'live like straight people'.
People need to leave them alone.
And people absolutely need to stop the destructive 'conversion therapy'.
My God it's barbaric.

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
I'm still baffled about why you think that masturbation is perverted.

Then scroll back through the thread to where I already explained myself.

I did, but your explanation made no sense to me. You simply said that it was perverted, mentioned something about the libido and left it at that. I don't think that there's a single shrink (outside the Catholic Church, obviously) that claims that masturbation is wrong these days.

Keep looking. Its something I said after that.

Then tell me which page it's on.

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: FlyersFan
People need to evolve and leave others alone ... others who are doing just fine without the interference.

Do you think I am, or what I'm promoting, is interfering with people's lives?

Well, you're claiming that gay people have a mental disorder, that trans people also have a mental disorder and then masturbation is perverted. You want 'cures' and 'treatment', although you have stated that you wouldn't enforce these, which is a good thing, because to do so would be utterly barbaric. You won't accept research, claiming that it's all incomplete, possibly because it means that it shows that your own biases are incorrect. I think that you're teetering on the brink of interfering with people's lives, because you seem to think that only your point of view is correct and that everyone else is utterly wrong.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
I'm still baffled about why you think that masturbation is perverted.

Then scroll back through the thread to where I already explained myself.

I did, but your explanation made no sense to me. You simply said that it was perverted, mentioned something about the libido and left it at that. I don't think that there's a single shrink (outside the Catholic Church, obviously) that claims that masturbation is wrong these days.

Keep looking. Its something I said after that.

Then tell me which page it's on.

Nah. I don't know what page its on.

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
I'm still baffled about why you think that masturbation is perverted.

Then scroll back through the thread to where I already explained myself.

I did, but your explanation made no sense to me. You simply said that it was perverted, mentioned something about the libido and left it at that. I don't think that there's a single shrink (outside the Catholic Church, obviously) that claims that masturbation is wrong these days.

Keep looking. Its something I said after that.

Then tell me which page it's on.

Nah. I don't know what page its on.

Fine. Then you won't mind giving us a brief explanation as to why you think that masturbation is perverted. Just a few words.