What Happens When You Don't Vaccinate

a reply to: Astyanax

And the fact that the only reply you have for my post is an insult speaks for itself. When Big Pharma actually makes a worthwhile vaccine that doesn't contain ingredients like mouse brains and tissue from murdered, oops, I mean aborted babies, and they think of the great power they have to save and help people, instead of the power they have to make money, then maybe I will consider vaccinating my children, but until that time (don't hold your breath), I refuse to have poison injected into my children, all in the name of public safety, when the link I posted shows that vaccinations really don't do anything. That story was reported all over main stream media.

a reply to: OptimusSubprime

Well it's lucky for your children that there aren't more people with the same wrong-headed attitude, so they still have a decent chance of benefitting from herd immunity.

But there's a tipping point where enough people fail to vaccinate and then hey presto we're back to the dark ages. Score one for fear and ignorance and stupidity.

originally posted by: Snappahead

The CIA used a fake vaccination drive to get DNA from Bin Laden's family that led to revealing where he was hiding. Ever since this event, vaccination programs in Pakistan have been associated with the United States and efforts to undermine their sovereignty.

Great find! Simply the fact that these "cases" occured in North-Waziristan should send alarm bells off to anybody really trying to understand what happened. The OP left the detail about the CIA conveniently out.

When somebody gets a vaccine it is administered by the doctor, and there are no formal disclosures (contrary to when I buy medicine in a box that details proper warnings about it).

The patient will never know which heavy metals they were injected with (unless they do their own research).

What happens if you do, repeat DO get vaccinated for polio? They get polio!
www.naturalnews.com...

Only in those cases they give it a different name, "xxx-like", to cook the statistics data.

One should realize that there is a "Revolving Door" between the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA that regulates it. The regulators that are cooperative with the industry will be able to find executive positions in the industry later. Those from the industry aspire to join the FDA to learn the insider knowledge about how to circumvent the regulation. The system is broken.

Even the basic science behind vaccine theory is highly questionable. Does anybody really believe mercury, aluminum and formeldahyde are good for them?

originally posted by: ThinkingHuman

Great find! Simply the fact that these "cases" occured in North-Waziristan should send alarm bells off to anybody really trying to understand what happened. The OP left the detail about the CIA conveniently out.

The CIA fake vaccination scam has nothing to do with real vaccinations. Stop pretending that it does. It was a covert military intelligence operation aimed at Bin Laden's family. It was also incredibly dumb as it increased mistrust of genuine vaccinations in the very areas where they are needed most!

What happens if you do, repeat DO get vaccinated for polio? They get polio!
www.naturalnews.com...

Bzzt! BS woo site alert!

Natural News is a science-based natural health advocacy organization led by activist-turned-scientist Mike Adams, the Health Ranger.

Would that be the same Mike Adams who is "an AIDS denialist, a 9/11 truther, a birther and endorsed conspiracy theories surrounding the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting"?

Does nobody learn to CHECK SOURCES, and to distinguish between reliable and non-reliable sources, at school these days? A snake oil salesman who believes chemtrails are real and Sandy Hook was fake falls, I would say, firmly in the latter camp.


What really happens if people "do, repeat DO get vaccinated for polio" is that polio is eradicated from the vast majority of the globe.

Until some clown who refuses to get vaccinated travels to the Middle East and brings it back home with them.

Even the basic science behind vaccine theory is highly questionable. Does anybody really believe mercury, aluminum and formeldahyde are good for them?

Here's a handy hint for you: that's not the basic science behind vaccine theory.

originally posted by: Rob48
The CIA fake vaccination scam has nothing to do with real vaccinations. Stop pretending that it does. It was a covert military intelligence operation aimed at Bin Laden's family. It was also incredibly dumb

Natural News is a science-based natural health advocacy organization led by activist-turned-scientist Mike Adams, the Health Ranger.

Would that be the same Mike Adams who is "an AIDS denialist, a 9/11 truther, a birther and endorsed conspiracy theories surrounding the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting"?

The CIA injected innocent civilians with a “fake vaccination scam”? Which caused polio in dozens of those civilians? Not a word from you about the poor innocent people. You call them “clowns”.

At least we agree that it was dumb, and I am glad to see that you also beieve in a government conspiracy!

I was pretending nothing. You are making my point. Here, people get injected with what is claimd to be a polio vaccine (and you claim that it was a fake one) – and people get polio. Coincidence?

People in California get vaccinated with (supposedly) the real polio vaccine and they also get polio. Coincidence?

While there have been no cases of polio in non-vaccinated people. Coincidence?

It has long been a popular strategy to name-call people with non-existent words like “birther” to discredit and ridicule them. That means absolutely nothing. Stop pretending that it does.

The Health Ranger is a science-based website and a great resource. Anybody can verify his claims by comparing his information with other scientific websites.

Here's a handy hint for you: get informed about vaccines!

"Vaccine Courts" prevent people from being compensated for damages caused by vaccines.

originally posted by: ThinkingHuman
The Health Ranger is a science-based website and a great resource. Anybody can verify his claims by comparing his information with other scientific websites.

Here's a handy hint for you: get informed about vaccines!

That is not a science based website. I happen to have a masters degree in chemistry, and I can assure you that nothing resembling unbiased science is to be found on "NaturalNews.com".

I studied chemistry and pharmaceutical science for four years. What are your qualifications? What are Mike Adams's, come to that? He is notably quiet on academic qualifications on his biography other than vague talk about working in "scientific" and "software" fields.

People in California get vaccinated with (supposedly) the real polio vaccine and they also get polio. Coincidence?

No, the people in California were tested and categorically found NOT to have polio. If you got your news from reputable sources then you would know this. Other viruses can cause similar symptoms, you know.

Can you tell me when the last genuine case of polio in America was? No? Well I'll tell you: 1979. Thirty-five years ago. Before vaccination, there were 10,000-20,000 cases EVERY YEAR. Coincidence?

If you want to live in an all-natural, vaccine-free paradise, then go ahead. Somalia is a good choice, or the mountains of Pakistan. Don't drink the water...

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: ThinkingHuman
The Health Ranger is a science-based website and a great resource. Anybody can verify his claims by comparing his information with other scientific websites.

That is not a science based website.

I can assure you that nothing resembling unbiased science is to be found on "NaturalNews.com".

I was quoting you when referring to it as 'science-based' ! If you can’t remember what you said a day earlier, there is no point in communicating with you.

Secondly, “unbiased science” exists is no more – anywhere. Science allows countries to win wars. Science allows corporations to win contracts. You really try to imply there is anything neutral about science?

Can you tell me when the last genuine case of polio in America was? No? Well I'll tell you: 1979. Thirty-five years ago. Before vaccination, there were 10,000-20,000 cases EVERY YEAR. Coincidence?

Not coincidence of course. Gullible people believe in hocus pocus.

Polio was caused by DDT.
When it became banned the number of polio cases went down in perfect correlation with DDT use.
Plain and simple. And to some extent because of better hygiene. Had nothing to do with vaccinations.

If you want to live in an all-natural, vaccine-free paradise, then go ahead. Somalia is a good choice, or the mountains of Pakistan. Don't drink the water...

Well, no, Pakistan is not a good choice because the CIA is giving fake polio vaccines that cause polio there, according to Rob48.

When the government must force people to do something that supposedly saves their own lives, people may want to ask ‘Why do those people not want to be saved? Do they know something others don't?’

Then one may ask ‘Why does the government not inform the public, nor the patient, about which chemicals are in the vaccines?’
and ‘Why does the government create a system where claims for damages from vaccines become virtually impossible?’
and 'Can we trust a government that does those kinds of things?'

Please, in the future try to remember what you have said in your previous post.

a reply to: ThinkingHuman

Polio was caused by DDT

I suppose you're referring to this piffle?

Dan Olmsted is Editor and Mark Blaxill is Editor-At-Large of Age of Autism. They are co-authors of The Age of Autism -- Mercury, Medicine and a Man-made Epidemic.

It's a press release from the antivax propaganda network.

I don't even know where to start with this! You seem to have misunderstood just about everything I wrote.

originally posted by: ThinkingHuman

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: ThinkingHuman
The Health Ranger is a science-based website and a great resource. Anybody can verify his claims by comparing his information with other scientific websites.

That is not a science based website.

I can assure you that nothing resembling unbiased science is to be found on "NaturalNews.com".

I was quoting you when referring to it as 'science-based' ! If you can’t remember what you said a day earlier, there is no point in communicating with you.

I was quoting from the website's own description, hence the italics, intended to indicate irony. Of course I wouldn't call it "science-based".

Secondly, “unbiased science” exists is no more – anywhere. Science allows countries to win wars. Science allows corporations to win contracts. You really try to imply there is anything neutral about science?

There is plenty of neutral science. That is why we have peer review. That website appears to exist chiefly to sell "natural remedies" by spreading paranoia.

Not coincidence of course. Gullible people believe in hocus pocus.

Polio was caused by DDT.
When it became banned the number of polio cases went down in perfect correlation with DDT use.
Plain and simple. And to some extent because of better hygiene. Had nothing to do with vaccinations.

DDT? Care to explain how a pesticide causes a viral infection? Let me guess, that's another scare story from NaturalNews? Oh yes, of course it is.

If you want to live in an all-natural, vaccine-free paradise, then go ahead. Somalia is a good choice, or the mountains of Pakistan. Don't drink the water...

Well, no, Pakistan is not a good choice because the CIA is giving fake polio vaccines that cause polio there, according to Rob48.

Stop bringing the CIA into it. If they injected anything into people at all it was probably saline solution. The fakery was in the entire programme, not in the vaccine! The CIA are dumb and risked derailing a very useful vaccination programme in the hunt for their bogeyman Bin Laden. I know. And where exactly did I say they are "giving fake polio vaccines that cause polio there"? That is your own invention.

When the government must force people to do something that supposedly saves their own lives, people may want to ask ‘Why do those people not want to be saved? Do they know something others don't?’

Because people are irrational and illogical, as this thread proves. Vaccines are no good if only a few people take them. You need a whole population to be immune in order to wipe out the disease. This is the whole rationale behind vaccination programmes.

Then one may ask ‘Why does the government not inform the public, nor the patient, about which chemicals are in the vaccines?’
and ‘Why does the government create a system where claims for damages from vaccines become virtually impossible?’
and 'Can we trust a government that does those kinds of things?'

The general public is clueless about science. They see a chemical name and freak out. Vaccines undergo rigorous testing and only approved preservatives etc are used. There is NO LINK between vaccines and autism, as shown by huge numbers of studies, and so it is quite sensible that conspiracy theorists aren't allowed to drag vaccine manufacturers through the courts over the same patently false claims.

If it wasn't for vaccination, there's a pretty good chance that you wouldn't be here to read this post, and/or I wouldn't be around to write it. But that seems to be pretty standard among the anti-science brigade: they reap all the benefits of science but at the same time want to destroy it for the next generation.

This link says it all for me...........

www.vaccinationcouncil.org...

originally posted by: FraZZleD38
This link says it all for me...........

www.vaccinationcouncil.org...

Yeah, it says you didn't bother to read the scientific papers, rather you credulously swallowed Mercola's heavily biased "interpretation" (read: anti-vax propaganda). The SV40 virus contaminated some polio vaccines in the 50's. This virus has been linked to cancer. This contamination hasn't happened in over 40 years and none of the actual scientific papers claim that the vaccine causes cancer. But let's not let the facts get in the way of some good fear-mongering propaganda.

a reply to: ThinkingHumanCorrelation between autism diagnoses and organic food sales

Coincidende?

Yeah... DDT...

socioecohistory.wordpress.com...

originally posted by: FraZZleD38
socioecohistory.wordpress.com...

That link appears not to know what Factor VIII is. It's not a vaccine, and therefore it is irrelevant to this thread. You are talking about an incident that occurred more than 30 years ago, is common knowledge, and did not involve vaccines.

en.wikipedia.org...

What is the point, exactly, other than dredging up every failure of the pharmaceutical industry over the past century in an attempt to bolster some pathetic conspiracy theory? What next? Thalidomide?

originally posted by: FraZZleD38
socioecohistory.wordpress.com...

I like the way you casually gloss over the fact you were utterly wrong in your last post. It's as if facts and intellectual honesty are mere trivialities to you. Oh well, let's see what we have here, then...

What a surprise! Not only is your link wildly inaccurate (it was HIV-contaminated blood plasma products, not vaccines) but even if it were vaccines, that would have absolutely nothing to do with the efficacy of vaccines or their (non-existent) link to autism.

You're really on a roll, here.

Vaccines have been found contaminated in the past and it's happening more and more. So you go ahead and have the vaccines that's your choice. I choose not to take that chance. That is my choice. Not to mention that they put all kinds of things on the market and say it's good for you now but a few years later you find it's does more harm than good.

Keep on trusting till the day that you fall apart and then it's too late.

I was like you, I was trusting, then my day came and it was too late.

originally posted by: FraZZleD38
Vaccines have been found contaminated in the past

Yes, half a century ago.

and it's happening more and more.

No, it's happening less and less, because 50 years ago it happened, and today it isn't happening. You have a strange idea of "more and more".

Here's a site about pro's and con's of vaccinations. vaccines.procon.org...

I think you know what side I agree with.....

a reply to: FraZZleD38

Vaccines interfere with natural law and God's plan for humanity. Disease is a natural occurrence, and humans should not interfere with its trajectory.

Yeah, real reputable source there, pal.