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There are two other threads right now that pertain to the problem of some people taking some Bible verses too literally.
all offerings of bullocks and lambs and humans and nature to Saturn.
originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: Unity_99There are two other threads right now that pertain to the problem of some people taking some Bible verses too literally.
all offerings of bullocks and lambs and humans and nature to Saturn.
I think that some people do that with Jesus and what he did and why, and believe that he was literally just like a sacrificial animal in the Old Testament.
In what way?
Jesus was an old skool sacrifice.
That is covered by the "gave himself up for us" part of Ephesians 5:1-2.
Why do you think he had so much anxiety that night in the mount of olives? He knew what was coming and experienced a typically human set of emotions beforehand.
"Blood sacrifices" is a theological term but not a biblical term.
I've always struggled with why God needed blood sacrifices in the old testament, but at least we can say Jesus was the last one ever for us Christians.
I think it means sacrificing your own self-interest for someone else's, when they need help, when it is out of compassion for our fellow man.
We can offer up other sacrifices for God during our lives though, like when we supposedly give up a food or habit we like in lent, fasting etc.
Matthew 12:7
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
That is a little vague.
Jesus death was for our atonement in accordance to God's Law.
"Human sacrificial death" at the time of the founding of Christianity would have been understood in the world of the Roman Empire as a battlefield tactic to entice the enemy to show their hand, and also to get the blood up of your own soldiers to avenge their fallen comrades.
Attempting to make sense of a collection of bronze age superstitions is a fools errand, the entire christian story is based on a human sacrificial death just like other primitive and debased cults.
salvation is based on "blood sacrifice" rather than actually being good.
1 John 5:16-17 says that there are some sins that do not lead to death.
Your god signed that one when he decided that no sin was too small to be punished with hellfire - and when he deliberately gave us the capacity and planted us in a world full of inclinations. We were set up from the beginning.
I would agree that the opportunity has always existed for us to fall but I don't see it as something that was intentionally created.
Hopefully there aren't any people like that on ATS.
It will only make them hate you more without a cause.
I don't personally see it that way.
I'd be inclined to look at it that way if he didn't then take advantage of our position to extract our loyalty on pain of eternal damnation.
So it is not like God is hunting you down to punish you
It says "the One" with the O capitalized as if it is a title, and may be thought of by the translators as a reference to God, but it is just the general definite article in Greek, that is interpreted that way.
I would see it as a personification of the process inherent to the universe's nature.
The Greek word here translated as "destroy" could mean to loose. According to the verb form and the context, it could mean a power to make lost.
Sort of a dreadful analysis of the universe, if you think that somehow every detail of it was planned to be exactly that way, ahead of time.
Of course not. He personally built the kill switch, the "Instant Win" button.
Do you have a better Bible verse to support your position that God wants to destroy us?
I don't see what that has to do with anything.