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snypwsd
reply to post by amatrine
You can go to places like India and pay only a $150 per pill instead of paying $1000 per pill in the states.
3NL1GHT3N3D1
This just goes to show that the health industry is in it for the money and not to help those who are in need. Their allegiance lies with whoever pays the most not the sick and needy. We live in an bassackwards world.
3NL1GHT3N3D1
This just goes to show that the health industry is in it for the money and not to help those who are in need. Their allegiance lies with whoever pays the most not the sick and needy. We live in an bassackwards world.
NavyDoc
Given that, would you not agree that keeping that same bloated and wasteful government out of our healthcare is also a good idea?
amatrine
reply to post by NavyDoc
For years now there has been a cap on how much you can sue for medical malpractice, and effects from drugs.
Honestly a lot of the new drugs scare me. I have seen people die from them.
I would also be afraid to goto another country, who knows if you are getting the real deal.
As I said before, yes , I see the need for profit, but when it is this high, there is no justifying it.edit on 12-4-2014 by amatrine because: (no reason given)
benrl
NavyDoc
Given that, would you not agree that keeping that same bloated and wasteful government out of our healthcare is also a good idea?
Okay, repeal the FDA, Medicare, etc.
See, all or nothing stances are silly, we have to have some form of government.
Its why RP gets quickly mocked (I volunteered for the paul campaign )
Far to often the Libertarian stance falls for the same trap that everyone else does, the death of compromise.
The whole point of our system of government is to debate, not MY WAY OR THE HIGH WAY.
Taken as a whole, YES less government is better. Some government is needed, but we can't get to that apparently, because no one debates.
No one compromises.
Its become a dirty word.
I say That in a perfect world, Socialize staple goods, like education, like health, like water, like food, flat tax, and luxury goods for free market.
Taken there, its just a statement of in an IDEAL situation what would work, so forgive me if my stance was not spoken properly, BARING that.
Education would solve everything, it would lead to cheaper research, etc.
SO if we HAVE to subsidize an industry, I would much rather have it be on Education, than a war economy and policing the globe.
Now, back to the stance as a whole.
That compromise thing, we are at the point we are (government in healthcare and Aca, as that seems to be the angle you've taken from my stance) FOR the very reason that there is no more compromise.
Government most certainly experienced a systemic failure, and to think that the PEOPLE IN IT NOW, REPS and DEMS, can get this country into any better shape is insanity.
Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting something else is insane, so I get, that right now, Government is a cluster and no I wouldn't trust them with plastic spork let alone health care.
But in a perfect world?
what you think that they should do it for free, or that they should not try to maximize their profits because if they stop doing that then the also stop producing future drugs.
amatrine
reply to post by NavyDoc
It cost money, but this much? I quoted this above , on another post from a news source : According to this report from the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid, the cost to treat all Americans who have hepatitis C with Sovaldi would cost $227 billion—it currently costs $260 billion a year for all drugs bought in the country.
The cost of ALL DRUGS bought in the USA in one year is a LOT!! I think they got their research, and then some and then some again.
Night Star
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin
what you think that they should do it for free, or that they should not try to maximize their profits because if they stop doing that then the also stop producing future drugs.
There is such a thing as making a profit and being a greedy pig!
(Reuters) - India's Natco Pharma Ltd (NATP.NS) has formally asked the Indian patent office to deny U.S. drugmaker Gilead Sciences Inc's (GILD.O) new hepatitis C drug Sovaldi a patent in India, a source with direct knowledge of the matter said.
If successful, the move could clear the way for the Indian company to launch a cheap generic version of the drug.
The medical charity Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) supported I-MAK's opposition and believes a 12-week course of treatment and diagnosis should cost no more than $500, saying a high cost would put the drug out of reach to most of the 90 percent of hepatitis C patients living in low-and middle-income countries.
Egypt, where Gilead has agreed a voluntary deal to cut its drug price by 99 percent, has the world's highest prevalence of the liver-destroying virus.
jude11
Meanwhile in India:
(Reuters) - India's Natco Pharma Ltd (NATP.NS) has formally asked the Indian patent office to deny U.S. drugmaker Gilead Sciences Inc's (GILD.O) new hepatitis C drug Sovaldi a patent in India, a source with direct knowledge of the matter said.
If successful, the move could clear the way for the Indian company to launch a cheap generic version of the drug.
The medical charity Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) supported I-MAK's opposition and believes a 12-week course of treatment and diagnosis should cost no more than $500, saying a high cost would put the drug out of reach to most of the 90 percent of hepatitis C patients living in low-and middle-income countries.
Egypt, where Gilead has agreed a voluntary deal to cut its drug price by 99 percent, has the world's highest prevalence of the liver-destroying virus.
So it seems that the US will pay 1,000 per pill but elsewhere in the World the cost could be as little as 1% of that?
hmmmm...
Peace
NavyDoc
You fail in demands for socialization of staple goods. Socialization of staple goods has, in evidence of history, provided shortages of staple goods. Socialization always brings failure. It is a Star Trek pipe dream.
You say you don't trust government, but you want it to protect you from "evil corporations." Which is it?
We shouldn't subsidize ANY industry because subsidization leads to control--control by those very people you don't trust. How logical is that?
NavyDoc
jude11
Meanwhile in India:
(Reuters) - India's Natco Pharma Ltd (NATP.NS) has formally asked the Indian patent office to deny U.S. drugmaker Gilead Sciences Inc's (GILD.O) new hepatitis C drug Sovaldi a patent in India, a source with direct knowledge of the matter said.
If successful, the move could clear the way for the Indian company to launch a cheap generic version of the drug.
The medical charity Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) supported I-MAK's opposition and believes a 12-week course of treatment and diagnosis should cost no more than $500, saying a high cost would put the drug out of reach to most of the 90 percent of hepatitis C patients living in low-and middle-income countries.
Egypt, where Gilead has agreed a voluntary deal to cut its drug price by 99 percent, has the world's highest prevalence of the liver-destroying virus.
So it seems that the US will pay 1,000 per pill but elsewhere in the World the cost could be as little as 1% of that?
hmmmm...
Peace
Simple. Because they did not have to pay for the research and development, they have no QA so you risk contaminated medicine, and there is no recourse and no lawsuits if you have a bad reaction. If you want all of these safeguards, it will increase cost. IF you are willing to accept more risk and less accountability, then it will be cheaper, but I know that those who cry about evil corporations do not want to accept more risk for a cheaper product. It is just hyperbole.
D377MC
Sigh.
Milk thistle, Selenium, and intravenous vitamin C (50-75 gr. via IV in a 9% saline solution, three times a week for 4-5 months.)
Case closed, 1000$ pills dismissed.
Krystian
NavyDoc
jude11
Meanwhile in India:
(Reuters) - India's Natco Pharma Ltd (NATP.NS) has formally asked the Indian patent office to deny U.S. drugmaker Gilead Sciences Inc's (GILD.O) new hepatitis C drug Sovaldi a patent in India, a source with direct knowledge of the matter said.
If successful, the move could clear the way for the Indian company to launch a cheap generic version of the drug.
The medical charity Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) supported I-MAK's opposition and believes a 12-week course of treatment and diagnosis should cost no more than $500, saying a high cost would put the drug out of reach to most of the 90 percent of hepatitis C patients living in low-and middle-income countries.
Egypt, where Gilead has agreed a voluntary deal to cut its drug price by 99 percent, has the world's highest prevalence of the liver-destroying virus.
So it seems that the US will pay 1,000 per pill but elsewhere in the World the cost could be as little as 1% of that?
hmmmm...
Peace
Simple. Because they did not have to pay for the research and development, they have no QA so you risk contaminated medicine, and there is no recourse and no lawsuits if you have a bad reaction. If you want all of these safeguards, it will increase cost. IF you are willing to accept more risk and less accountability, then it will be cheaper, but I know that those who cry about evil corporations do not want to accept more risk for a cheaper product. It is just hyperbole.
The article blatantly states that the manufacturer is hoping to agree to a voluntary deal to sell its own drug and avoid rip offs.
The logic pro capitalism presented in this entire thread is wrong.
Based on the logic that R&D, lawyers ect mark up this drug to $1000 a pill, then literally EVERY new drug should be $1000 a pill. Every new drug has to pay the same ridiculous FDA fees, go through clinicals, ect - The reason this particular pill is $1000 a pill is because it "saves lives" so they are leveraging your life to charge $1000 vs say leveraging your hardon to charge $7/viagra.edit on Apr-05:00pm3007 by Krystian because: (no reason given)