Is this the start of armed resistance against totalitarian government in the US?

spirit_horse
Something that I always wondered. Do you think Russia, China, or even the NK's would send arms and military advisors in to the US civilians and support a revolution like the US has done all over the world against many of their allies? If so, things could turn very fast for the feds. All of a sudden air support and armored support would be useless. And the problem with our borders being so open would make stopping a support operation very hard. The one other qquestion and I think is true is the US Gov won't go down without firing off some nukes, in country or to outside supporters.

Sure they would. And they would send advisors and even help set up a new goverment for us. Granted this one would really be totalitarian and we of course would not be allowed to talk about it on the internet.

reply to post by raedar

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You do realize that FEDERAL AGENTS are ALWAYS Armed....right? This is nothing new.

I see where you are coming from, but your post is pretty much advocating law breaking and irresponsibility.
Your words, "...sure they jumped through the red tape..."
You know who else jumps through the red tape? people who think that can get away with things and not get caught....like politicians and criminals. Hmmmm....

The way it was handled was unacceptable though, we can agree on that.

raedar
reply to post by buster2010

 

Regardless of fair use (not to mention the fact that the family has been there since the late 1800s and have jumped through the read tape since),

Armed Federal Agents?! Why is that ok????

This is an over-reach and it is INTENTIONAL.

Folks have plenty reason to stand up with this family!

edit on 10-4-2014 by raedar because: (no reason given)

They are standing with the family for the wrong reason. So are you saying this guy should be able to break the law and nothing should be done about it?

reply to post by Arnie123

don't worry, HAARP won't get you or the scary Armed Fed Agents raining destruction around us 24/7.

Haarp is raining federal agents? Pffft…

By the way, there are "Fedreal" things raining on foreign lands and they aren't imaginary. Ask those "citizens" whether our government is total--litary out of control or not.

What we see here on our soil is a prelude to that kind of behavior here. I know. I study history.

You see, control freaks are never satisfied. They never feel safe. Once in power they will always impose more and more laws and restrictions on their own citizenry. Laws will never be loosened, only multiplied. It is the same process ending up in the same ash heap of history as all the other empires.

What wee see happening in Nevada is just another sign along the road to ruin (see "ruins").

reply to post by Arnie123


Either you misunderstood me or I misspoke, what was intended is that once the grazing fees were forced upon them in the late 90s, they have been working through the bureaucratic red tape.

This is just a rant not aimed at you bro:

At this point, the Feds are busting water tanks that have been in use for hundreds of years and there are reports some of the cattle have been killed and they will not let the family get to the calves hiding in the trees. They brought in backhoes most likely to dig mass graves for the hundreds of heads of cattle that are now missing.

Federal Agents armed or not have no business descending aggressively on this family. How about using the legal system? The fact that the Feds go around grabbing land is another argument entirely, but the Bundy family are one of the last families in the area whose farm has not fallen to the Feds. There are hints that this may be tied to fracking potential, although I have not researched that on my own.

I really don't see how anyone could defend this overreach.

MrSpad
Sure they would. And they would send advisors and even help set up a new goverment for us. Granted this one would really be totalitarian and we of course would not be allowed to talk about it on the internet.

Roger that! But, here is what is scary. If you get a majority in this country, which is debatable now, that has socialist-communist leanings, they may use this to bring their idea of social-justice, etc to our country. I knew most of my life we were fighting communist-socialist governments and political ideologies. Now, with changes in Russia and China, and the warped education system here in the US which now has a lot of youger people thinking of socialist ideas, well you can see where I am going.


I agree it would be absolutely totalitarian as they would need to reeducate the younger generation and get rid of the older generation, males at least. that are likely to have those capitalist free market leanings, FREEDOM leanings.

Comparing us to Nazi Germany of the 30s are we?

reply to post by Arnie123


If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck....

Disturbing Parallels Between America & 1930s Germany

HERE

I suggest you take the time to read the article...nobody ever thinks it can happen to them.

I've begun to realize that this is what you really want, its not a matter of whatever signs you THINK you see, but blinded by your ambition for civil war and total economic collapse.

What I want is for the American people to wake up...get off their duffs and start holding those responsible for gross violations of the law and Constitution, responsible for the crimes they have committed. I want them to quit living in denial of what is truly going on.

Civil war may not be necessary....if the American people act while they still can.

As for the economic collapse....that is going to happen no matter what I want.

The US doesn't have to burn in the way you envisioned it.

Agreed. But given the lack of will and apathy on the part of the American people...I'm not going to hold my breath.

As an AD Soldier, would I follow an order to shoot fellow Americans? no.
Would my fellow Soldiers? no.

I'm not familiar with an AD soldier...??

Just because you won't fire on American citizens doesn't mean that there aren't many who would...it's been done before.

Remain DEAD on the subject and keep CALM, deadcalm.

Indeed. Best of luck to ya.

Gozer

Mamatus
I said this in another thread about this but it bears saying again. I am all for a good revolution. However starting a revolution for the wrong reasons bugs me. The Rancher is/has essentially been stealing and while I seriously dislike the Bureau of Logging and Mining they are unfortunately in the right on this one. now protesting Fracking? get your guns, I am in.

IMO, whether or not the rancher is in the right or in the wrong, many people are beginning to want to take a stand, any stand possible, against the government at any level, because the government at every level has proven to be an untrustworthy entity, and many are automatically willing to side against it now because they believe the government no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt. We saw the same thing a few weeks ago when they killed the homeless guy out west. The people protested and confronted law enforcement. People are tired of government abuse of citizen's rights, and even if they're right in this case, many don't care at this point. They've lost the trust of many people.

No disagreement from me there. IMO people are finally getting pissed off. Wait till the next couple years of college kids can not get a job..... Sooner or later this society will implode. It is the way of all empires and there is no reason we should be any different than those that came before us.

reply to post by spirit_horse

Do you think Russia, China, or even the NK's would send arms and military advisors in to the US civilians and support a revolution like the US has done all over the world against many of their allies? If so, things could turn very fast for the feds.

The one other qquestion and I think is true is the US Gov won't go down without firing off some nukes, in country or to outside supporters.

Once things heat up I believe the answer to your first question is a resounding YES. Don't think the big threat dangers of the DoD giving armored vehicles to the local cops or all the other super duper military equipment will hold up long. Doubtful the support would come directly from Russia or China, most likely through 3rd parties who also wish to see an out of control US MIC slowed down or stopped.

Who knows on the nuke question, self preservation and reason may eventually get through to some of the crazies in the government and DoD. Maybe not though.

Bundy is and has for all intents and purposes been living on foreclosed land. When you own a home and don't pay the bill the bank comes and takes it. If you do not leave the house when they send you letters they send in the US Marshals. When your friends show up and form a picket line they send in more US Marshals. US Marshals are armed and if you act even remotely aggressive they can and will put you on the ground. If your friends show up armed? Someone is gonna get hurt.

Bundy is no different than any other deadbeat renter...... He is not a hero for "standing up". He is simply trying to get over the the system he does not like. It is sad that people are coming to the aid of a wealthy cattle rancher yet so many poor people have their rights abused daily.

Where were the protestors when they shot the WW2 vet with the cane that "looked" like a rifle. Of the guy that was killed in his rest home because he did not want an operation? What happened to the protests in Albuquerque over the people being shot there?

reply to post by buster2010


This guy isn't breaking any valid law.

begoodbees
reply to post by buster2010

 

This guy isn't breaking any valid law.

You are right just ask any "Sovereign Citizen". Actually I was just being funny there. He is breaking the law and that you "feel" it is not a valid law then you are either making this decision with your emotions or outright ignoring the fact that public lands do not really belong to the public.

By your logic: If he can run his cattle anywhere he wants on BLM land then I can do whatever I want on BLM lands right? I was hoping to open up an outdoor survival and shooting in the dark at mystery shapes and shadows school on BLM lands. Wanna help me out?

Your logic is flawed. One can not do anything they like on Public lands without going through a permit process.

reply to post by Bassago


I speculate about what you say and I really hope it to be true Its so hard to get any country to stand up to our government these days. Better believe when they finally do it will be when they are absolutely fed up - the breaking note.

On an unrelated/related note, I remember seeing a movie a while back, or maybe it was a tv show honestly lol. Anyways I do not remember the specifics of the plot however at one point these people had to deal with secret militias present in the US. These guys were basically CTers on the verge of revlution and they had built up over the past decades a vast array of military hardware and vehicles
They had hangars leased out all over the United States connected underground in some cases. Anyway these guys were just as well armed as any of our military units save the navy aspect and big nukes. They were all well trained prepared for the moment the US govt crossed the line and I just remember when watching it what a fascinating thing to consider! I know all of the above is far fetched in reality...but theres gotta be truth in there IMO we should all hope at least.

Mamatus
Where were the protestors when they shot the WW2 vet with the cane that "looked" like a rifle. Of the guy that was killed in his rest home because he did not want an operation? What happened to the protests in Albuquerque over the people being shot there?

So because people did not make a stand in other situations then they shouldn't in this one? Also this is an on going situation that people can relate to and actively protest, it's hard to protest to stop the police from shooting someone when that person is already dead. Tell you what, let us know in advance the next time the police plan on shooting someone and we will get a protest together.

I don't think this situation is as black and white as you and a couple of other posters would like to believe.

reply to post by Danbones

Is this the start of armed resistance against totalitarian government in the US?

The short answer is no.

The long answer is no, come back in a year and prove otherwise.

MrSpad
lol well if these idiots are the leaders of a rebellion it will last all about an hour. Hey lets put our plan on you tube and let them know we are coming. And also whomever thinks the goverment is totalitarian needs to buy a dictionary so they can look up the meaning of the word.

I don't think announcing one's self is, in any way - at any time, considered idiotic. Especially when guns are involved. All parties should be in full view.

Kandinsky
reply to post by Danbones

 

Is this the start of armed resistance against totalitarian government in the US?

The short answer is no.

The long answer is no, come back in a year and prove otherwise.

On the other hand - if it does turn into a revolution...I hope the fighting begins & ends, there.
Then - if someone will let me know who the new boss is...I will be most appreciative.
I kinda think, though, that we've been forewarned - "...new boss - same as the old boss..."

So from what I have read from this thread and other sources.
The Turtles eat cow poop and derive their moisture from said poop.. The whole turtle thing is just a touchy feelie feel good cover story...
The BLM was using the backhoe and dump truck to destroy water tanks and piping. Water is a big deal in a desert.
The land is/has been leased for oil exploration (should have not interfered with the cattle operation most cattle do not like loud drilling rigs and trucks going to and fro to a rig IMO)..
Rancher stopped paying the amount the Gov says he is to pay for access
Many people in that region are already pissed at the government for various reasons so IMO they did not need much of a cause to latch onto. One article I read said 25 ranchers (some say 53) had been put out of business due to BLM/government regs..?
BLM is separating (according to the rancher's son) caves from their birth mothers.. It has been 90f so the caves without mom's milk will only last about a day... Even running the cows via ATVs or helicopters for extended times in that heat will kill many.
Right or wrong the militias may get in an armed conflict with BLM and other federal agencies.. Presently mostly talk and shoving and let us hope it stays that way.. However, no matter what side you are on, a fact of life is, power does come from the barrel of a gun/taser/brute force after all the shouting and paperwork has been exhausted.
Did I miss anything?

reply to post by seeker1963

Works for the government or maybe works for the corporation who will get the contract and make the profits that is behind the government.

reply to post by Danbones




this has some great info with reporter there.

talks that this is about water, for minerals and resource. also that bundy has refused to sell his land


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