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Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told (yes, that's the title)
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reply to post by Kandinsky
These people must have anti-semitic tendencies then....for are they not doing the same !
Now you've been careful to distinguish between Jew and Zionist in your posts so far and to distance yourself from accusations of anti-Semitism. Wise move. However when you write 'proclaimed Jews' in that quoted passage it offers the inference that you might be anti-Semitic. It certainly highlights that no matter how far some folk go in trying to distinguish Jews from Zionists...they just can't do it.
These people must have anti-semitic tendencies then....for are they not doing the same !
Kandinsky
reply to post by 168617
The ME has been in conflict for most of recorded history and so has the rest of the world. Attributing all the ills of the world to a group of ill-defined people is conspiracy theory 101 in a bubble.
I agree, but in modern history (The last 120 years to be exact) we have seen nothing but turmoil, a group of people pretty much slaughtered and then forced to move from their land and to this very day are still getting bombs dropped on their heads. Now I would love to think that this is all a Muslim terrorist issue but it isn't. The very people who are being persecuted are Semites themselves if we go off today's example of a semite. So in saying that, wouldn't that make the Israeli Government Anti-Semite also? We can debate till the cows come home but the hypocrisy of Israel is too hard to ignore.
Now you've been careful to distinguish between Jew and Zionist in your posts so far and to distance yourself from accusations of anti-Semitism. Wise move. However when you write 'proclaimed Jews' in that quoted passage it offers the inference that you might be anti-Semitic. It certainly highlights that no matter how far some folk go in trying to distinguish Jews from Zionists...they just can't do it.
I can do it and here's why. The essence of being Jewish is upholding the Jewish religious laws from the Torah. If you cannot uphold the Jewish religious law, you give up your birth right as a Jew. Not my opinion but the command from the Jewish teachings. Now the same applies to a legitimate state of Israel. It's one thing to create a homeland for the Jews but it must be regulated through Jewish religious law. The modern day Israel isn't and therefore isn't considered a legitimate state under any religion. The push for Israel at first was religiously motivated but as soon as the land had been secured religious interests were pushed out of the way and what followed followed. So when I say a "Proclaimed Jew", I am speaking about a Jew who claims to be a Jew yet does not recognise the laws of the religion. In this case a political Zionist who operates under the law of democracy.
When people opt to explain the ills of the world by blaming one murky group, I think they diminish *all* people and groups. They make everyone passive victims who can't defend or think for themselves. For the (whatever) group they blame, it makes them all-powerful and suggests that they alone are able to make decisions.
I focus on the Zionists because the seem to be there all the time. I understand that there are other groups also, maybe the Zionists answer to the pope, I don't know but when the people who control the banking systems around the world are involved, are piling money into Palestine and then slaughtering them same people, is it hard to believe that maybe they do have a lot of power to the point they can destroy nations?
Genghis Khan united the tribes into the Mongol Empire. What role did Zionists/Jews play in that? If they had no role (even in conspiracy thinking), isn't it time you began to accept the possibility that humans in general are more than capable of being cruel to each other and starting wars without help from ill-defined groups?As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
The Zionist Federation was created around the end of the 19th century and that is why I focus around 1900. Maybe a few things prior but mainly modern history.
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reply to post by anon72
Sounds like you are unable to put things into context.... you do realize that there was around 20 or so years of political and social turmoil in Europe and Germany before the 2nd World War?
The first one wasn't enough for the banksters of that time, so when the 20s got around and the big guys managed to create panic amongst citizens which in turn killed A LOT of the small banks, the economy started plummeting.
Unemployment started to rise.... people were unhappy, felt insecure.
So what did you expect people would do when "finally" a man with a sharp tongue, strong social and nationalistic views arose to the promise of bringing order back to Germany.
Now, by no means is what the nazis did both before and during the war ok, but.... I can certainly understand how they could rise to the power like they did. In lack of better words and better options, the nazis did what they thought was necessary to achieve a normal life for the common German in times of trouble.
There are SO MUCH MORE to World War 2 than just the late 30s and the 40s. So many things happened before the act of war was upon Europe, and if you knew just a little more than what you biased text books and school teachings has taught you, then you would also sit back with a "I just don't know who to blame..." attitude.
Did you know that the American establishment was funding acts of unrest at the French / German border before the war? Does that sound like something you've heard before?
This is true..... someone didn't like the kind of socialism that Hitler was forcing upon German which at time was a central player in Europe, and when you have extreme views on life or even just strong anti-capitalistic views, then you are easily made a scapegoat of.
So the different parts were being played. I wouldn't be surprised if it could proven that the Rothschilds were even throwing money after the Jewish leadership at the time also. That's how the played the Napoleonic war... both sides at convenience.
Alas for Hitler, not only had he himself seen a bloody 1st World War, but the country he came home to was a destroyed one.... then you start to see unemployment rise, and then as you get into politics you see the outside world telling you you are doing it wrong and at the same time inciting terror on your borders.
Honestly, how do you think you'd react?
It wasn't that Hitler didn't do wrong, he just ran out of ideas and started casting stones..... (well, not entirely true, because someone was hiding in the bushes throwing stones already, but everyone was looking at Hitler, so...)
Just saying here... there are a lot more to ANY history, than the ONE side that gets printed. ALL history is biased to serve those who managed to stay alive through it.
And of course, we also have got to get rid of the idea brainwashed into our heads by media and hollywood movies, that "we" are the good guys.
Sounds like you are unable to put things into context.... you do realize that there was around 20 or so years of political and social turmoil in Europe and Germany before the 2nd World War?
The first one wasn't enough for the banksters of that time, so when the 20s got around and the big guys managed to create panic amongst citizens which in turn killed A LOT of the small banks, the economy started plummeting.
Unemployment started to rise.... people were unhappy, felt insecure.
So what did you expect people would do when "finally" a man with a sharp tongue, strong social and nationalistic views arose to the promise of bringing order back to Germany.
Now, by no means is what the nazis did both before and during the war ok, but.... I can certainly understand how they could rise to the power like they did. In lack of better words and better options, the nazis did what they thought was necessary to achieve a normal life for the common German in times of trouble.
There are SO MUCH MORE to World War 2 than just the late 30s and the 40s. So many things happened before the act of war was upon Europe, and if you knew just a little more than what you biased text books and school teachings has taught you, then you would also sit back with a "I just don't know who to blame..." attitude.
Did you know that the American establishment was funding acts of unrest at the French / German border before the war? Does that sound like something you've heard before?
This is true..... someone didn't like the kind of socialism that Hitler was forcing upon German which at time was a central player in Europe, and when you have extreme views on life or even just strong anti-capitalistic views, then you are easily made a scapegoat of.
So the different parts were being played. I wouldn't be surprised if it could proven that the Rothschilds were even throwing money after the Jewish leadership at the time also. That's how the played the Napoleonic war... both sides at convenience.
Alas for Hitler, not only had he himself seen a bloody 1st World War, but the country he came home to was a destroyed one.... then you start to see unemployment rise, and then as you get into politics you see the outside world telling you you are doing it wrong and at the same time inciting terror on your borders.
Honestly, how do you think you'd react?
It wasn't that Hitler didn't do wrong, he just ran out of ideas and started casting stones..... (well, not entirely true, because someone was hiding in the bushes throwing stones already, but everyone was looking at Hitler, so...)
Just saying here... there are a lot more to ANY history, than the ONE side that gets printed. ALL history is biased to serve those who managed to stay alive through it.
And of course, we also have got to get rid of the idea brainwashed into our heads by media and hollywood movies, that "we" are the good guys.
edit on 7/4/14 by flice because: (no reason given)
edit on 7/4/14 by flice because: (no reason given)
ken10
reply to post by Kandinsky
Now you've been careful to distinguish between Jew and Zionist in your posts so far and to distance yourself from accusations of anti-Semitism. Wise move. However when you write 'proclaimed Jews' in that quoted passage it offers the inference that you might be anti-Semitic. It certainly highlights that no matter how far some folk go in trying to distinguish Jews from Zionists...they just can't do it.
These people must have anti-semitic tendencies then....for are they not doing the same !
That picture is exactly right. The Jews were banned from ever returning to the Holyland until the Messiah returned.
168617
ken10
reply to post by Kandinsky
Now you've been careful to distinguish between Jew and Zionist in your posts so far and to distance yourself from accusations of anti-Semitism. Wise move. However when you write 'proclaimed Jews' in that quoted passage it offers the inference that you might be anti-Semitic. It certainly highlights that no matter how far some folk go in trying to distinguish Jews from Zionists...they just can't do it.
These people must have anti-semitic tendencies then....for are they not doing the same !
That picture is exactly right. The Jews were banned from ever returning to the Holyland until the Messiah returned.
Surely Christians claim that Jesus was the Messiah? Are they 2,000 years behind the times?
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edit on Thu Apr 10 2014 by DontTreadOnMe because: (no reason given)