Another banker found dead, along with wife and daughter.

The answer is simple.

On July 1st 2014 there will be a new law going into effect. H.R. 2847

This new law will put FATCA into effect which makes U.S. citizens' foreign bank accounts report back all of their finances to the states federal tax reserve.

Many, many gang and mob leaders have foreign bank accounts to hide their money from the U.S. government. Once that money becomes transparent to the IRS there will be bigger problems to deal with than a few banker suicides.

Acronychal
So if u were to take ALL of murder suicides (if that is the case here), do you really think that it is not simply possible that it is more likely to occur with individuals with high stress jobs and lifestyles and not simply because they "know something".

I'm not saying there isn't something going on, but without knowing exactly what was going on in their lives, you can't rule out that they just had too much on their plate with a potential side of neurological disorder.

High stress or not, it's rare to have THIS many murder/suicides in the same industry in a relatively short span of time and many tied to the same company - several being JP Morgan.

The bigger question is can we dig into THEIR histories and find some correlation(s)? Regardless of what the correlations are.

McGinty

soficrow
reply to post by TheBandit795

 

...banker suicide by multiple nail-gunshots is kinda like microbiologist suicide by multiple gunshot wounds to the head. Takes a lot of commitment to pull off.

Not really, they fire 2,3 or more nails per second - they're like machine guns. a couple of seconds and bang, 7 nails, easy.


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No, they fire a single burst. What good would it do to have a nail directly follow another when they would just hit the preceding one? Not at all like a machine gun. The closest to continues fire is you can hold back the front engaging pin and semi auto fire it but you have to pull the trigger each time. Infact to even get deep penetration you have to hold it pressed firmly and flush. He would of had to relocate his position for every shot. Seems unbearable, but maybe he was on a lot of pain killers.

reply to post by TheSparrowSings


That is the first thing that makes total sense to me. A few years ago the price of gold went through the roof. China wanted paid in gold, they got slammed with the price of gold so high. Maybe pay back to the guys who engineered the whole scheme? I think I would have been mad if I had been China at the time.

reply to post by JewelOfDenial


You can get them going pretty fast when you are experienced with them, but yeah, they are not automatic like machine guns. My nailgun(and every nailgun I ever used), essentially has two triggers. The one at the tip that don't allow the gun to be fired without firm contact with a solid surface, and the one you press with your finger. You have to press both triggers for it to work. and holding them down don't make it shoot like an automatic machine gun. The gun can only fire as fast as you can press and depress both triggers, at least one trigger needs to be fully disengaged for the next shot to be fired. It's a built in safety mechanism.

McGinty
ETA: I can't believe after Xaphan's post on the previous page which puts these statistics into perspective, that no one comments on that, they don't counter Xaphan, try to debunk his source in any way... Everyone just carries on getting themselves off on the story they want this to be. If that's not Doomporn then nothing is.

Makes me sad fro ATS - used to be that credulity meant something here..

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People don't care about facts or statistics. They believe something because they want to believe it. Conspiracy theories make mundane & boring reality more exciting.

charlyv
That nailgun thing has to quietly slip over to the murder column.
I don't care who you are, after doing it once, your body would just take over and refuse to let you do it again.

That's simply not true. I know a paramedic who responded to the suicide scene of a 16 year old male who used a .22 rifle. The first shot didn't properly penetrate the skull. Neither did the second shot. Third time was a charm though. Where there is a will there is a way.

reply to post by Xaphan


That sounds a lot like another assisted suicide to me. Always hard to believe when I hear stories like that.

Reminds me of when there was a spate of microbiologists death, at the time that Dr David Kelly was found dead in the woods.......exactly as he had predicted!!

At the time, i thought there may have been an impending biological attack; especially as we were looking for WMDs (which still have not been found!)

Who knows, maybe it takes TPTB a while before they put their big doomsday/financial collapse/NWO scenario into action.

charlyv
That nailgun thing has to quietly slip over to the murder column.
I don't care who you are, after doing it once, your body would just take over and refuse to let you do it again.
Ouch * 10^16

So how is it that the 50 year old from Glasgow, that i linked to earlier, managed to put 2 nails into his own brain and then walk to hospital?

WCmutant

Acronychal
So if u were to take ALL of murder suicides (if that is the case here), do you really think that it is not simply possible that it is more likely to occur with individuals with high stress jobs and lifestyles and not simply because they "know something".

I'm not saying there isn't something going on, but without knowing exactly what was going on in their lives, you can't rule out that they just had too much on their plate with a potential side of neurological disorder.

High stress or not, it's rare to have THIS many murder/suicides in the same industry in a relatively short span of time and many tied to the same company - several being JP Morgan.

The bigger question is can we dig into THEIR histories and find some correlation(s)? Regardless of what the correlations are.

This was posted earlier by Xaphan :

Xaphan
Sorry to burst the conspiracy bubble, but the whole 'mysterious banker suicide' thing is actually blown out of proportion by the sensationalist media.

www.theawl.com...

About 5% of jobs in New York City are in finance; Let's say there's about 400,000 people employed in finance in New York City. (There were about 500,000 of those jobs in 2000 and 425,000 in 2010.)

Statistically speaking, there should be 23.75 suicides a year in the finance industry in New York City alone. Six suicides in the first quarter of the year would be "right on track" (I know, gross, sorry) for 24 suicides in 2014.

Except then when you read the story, two of these suicides were in London, one was in Singapore (that was Autumn Radtke), one was in Hong Kong, one was in Washington state, one was in Stamford, one was in Syosset, and then only one was in Manhattan.

So, great news! New York City's finance professionals are vastly under-killing themselves, compared to the population at large. Put that on your tabloid.

This is just a case of news media outlets cherry picking statistics. Sensationalism at its finest.

JewelOfDenial

McGinty

soficrow
reply to post by TheBandit795

 

...banker suicide by multiple nail-gunshots is kinda like microbiologist suicide by multiple gunshot wounds to the head. Takes a lot of commitment to pull off.

Not really, they fire 2,3 or more nails per second - they're like machine guns. a couple of seconds and bang, 7 nails, easy.


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No, they fire a single burst. What good would it do to have a nail directly follow another when they would just hit the preceding one? Not at all like a machine gun. The closest to continues fire is you can hold back the front engaging pin and semi auto fire it but you have to pull the trigger each time. Infact to even get deep penetration you have to hold it pressed firmly and flush. He would of had to relocate his position for every shot. Seems unbearable, but maybe he was on a lot of pain killers.

I posted this earlier, it's from the MCA (the Midwest Roofing Contractors Association):

NAIL GUN SAFETY
Nail guns first emerged after World War II and are now common in the roofing industry. They are
predominantly used to attach shingles to a sloped roof, to replace sheathing and to do other repetitive
nailing activities. Nail guns basically "shoot" the nail, either with air pressure or by other means. They
can fire up to nine nails per second at velocities as high as 1,400 ft. per second.

I certainly hope he was on painkillers! With this info it's not conclusive to me that Nail Gun = Murder.

TKDRL
reply to post by Xaphan

 

That sounds a lot like another assisted suicide to me. Always hard to believe when I hear stories like that.

And with respect, that sounds like you only want to find conspiracies.

Like Xaphan said, where there's a will there's a way (to see what you wanna see)

reply to post by McGinty


And with respect, as I said... the statistics need to be comparable. A CEO of a company is exactly where he wants to be in life, usually doing what he loves even if it is high stress.

Suicide is normally found among those who just lost their job, finances are out of control etc. a CEO or other person in a high ranking position doesn't normally fit the bill, and when you are where you want to be in life and look around and realize "crap this is too much stress" you can always go back down the totem pole.. ie: you look around and say this is not what I thought it would be like and I will now examine and look for something more conducive to my happiness... perhaps manager of a nice little jewelry store somewhere.

It's only when your on the bottom, usually, that you start feeling suicidal. There is a different mindset between someone who is about to loose their house and someone who is just under stress at work. That is why the general statistics aren't normally seen among CEO's and people in very high ranking positions.

This is very much a rare occurrence - 20 in less than a year, high ranking and in the same industry, even world wide is a statistical anomaly. It's why you aren't seeing the same thing in other industries this year, or last year.

However, if you can show me another industry - which, by the way, WAS the first thing I looked for - that had these exact same suicide rates among their high ranking officials, I will consider revising my position. When there was only 6 deaths I did look to see if other industries had the same suicide rates in 1 year among their higher ranking officials, and I couldn't find ANY other industry that had comparable statistics.

But I have been at the top, and stressed to high heaven and I have been at the bottom, and stressed and loosing everything. I promise you its not when your at the top that you begin to have thoughts of suicide.

The only reason I say some of these may very well be suicide.. is that fear of prison is the same as loosing everything. But, that would mean they had zero doubt that is where they would be going.

reply to post by OpinionatedB


But as i just said above, i think you make a good point that these suicides are all CEOs. However, looking at the OPs list of deceased on page 1 it seems you're wrong, they are not all CEOs:

William Broeksmit: Risk Manager

Gabriel Magee: Vice President (not a Senior VP and lets face it, JP Morgan has tons of VPs)

Mike Dueker: chief economist

Tim Dickenson: Communications Director. Non senior

Ryan Henry Crane: Executive Director. They apparently head up the non-profit part of the company, whereas the CEO heads up the profit part. If you're in finance then i imagine you prefer the 'profit end, rather than the 'non-profit' end.

Li Junjie: A currency Trader - hardly senior.

Edmund (Eddie) Reilly: Another Trader, non-senior.

Kenneth Bellando: An Analyst (apparently an Associate). Again non-senior.

As for Richard Talley, our poor nail gun fatality, he was being investigated by state insurance regulators. Doesn't sound much like he was 'where you want to be in life'...


Your proposition is that CEOs are so happy that they wouldn't commit suicide. Just because someone appears successful doesn't mean they are happy. There are countless examples of inexplicable suicides of rich.

But even if all CEOs were immune from acute depression, as you can see from the list, many of these banking suicides are not CEOs, only a small proportion, which one might expect in statistics. Most of them are middle management and so it really can't be broadly assumed that they were at the zenith of their careers and thus to happy to be depressed.

I think that brings us back to Xaphan's link to the story that debunks the statistics.

www.theawl.com

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reply to post by McGinty


I believe I said, CEO's and other high ranking positions.

Those positions you showed, are not pee-ons. They make hella salary, and have worked their entire lives and dealt with TONS of stress to get there. They are great at dealing with stress. There is only what, 2 positions you mentioned that are a bit lower on the totem pole, the analysts and currency trader, but even that, is a life work to get... with drive and direction to get there. You don't accidentally happen upon becoming an analyst.

I never once indicated that all were CEO's.

Still not something you see in every industry... and I looked.

I also stated, clearly:

The only reason I say some of these may very well be suicide.. is that fear of prison is the same as loosing everything. But, that would mean they had zero doubt that is where they would be going.

I stand by my position and my words. Find this in another industry... I personally could not.You cannot even find this in the same industry 2 years ago.

OpinionatedB
reply to post by McGinty

 

I believe I said, CEO's and other high ranking positions.

I never indicated that all were CEO's.

Still not something you see in every industry... and I looked.

I also stated, clearly:

The only reason I say some of these may very well be suicide.. is that fear of prison is the same as loosing everything. But, that would mean they had zero doubt that is where they would be going.

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Indeed you did say 'high ranking officials'. My mistake for quoting you're CEO statement only. But the point is that some of them are far from 'high ranking', and many are not high ranking in the corporate scheme of things. Only two or three were truly high ranking.

You say it's not something you see everyday and that you've looked. Xaphan has provided a source to an excellent example of how this is 'everyday', so can i ask you where you looked and to link to it, please.

Regarding your final statement about prison, do you mean that they may have indeed committed suicide because they feared going to prison? I agree with this completely, they could well have feared their misdeeds coming to light and decided to end it. Who knows?

You've got the wrong end of the stick if you think i'm trying to say these are all simple depression related suicides with no connection. They could well be connected and the suicides been inspired by their misdeeds. Some may even be murder - again, who knows?

What i don't think is helpful to such an investigation is suggesting it's clear something must be a certain thing, when in fact it's not all that clear at all. All that does is lead everyone down a blind ally because it looks like a short cut.

The nail gun is not definitive and the deceased are not all high ranking, but as long as we fixate on those facts, then perhaps the real clues allude us.

reply to post by McGinty


I fixated on the whole thing. When you see something like this - that Xaphan did not prove incorrect in my opinion - it becomes a pattern at some point.

is that point 6, 10, 12, 16 (which is literally where we are when only looking at financial sector)? For each of us that pattern becomes an actual pattern at some point... I saw a pattern that was able to be questioned at 6 and 10... now... its no longer a pattern but a definite something is up in my opinion.

When you look at a spree of killings, the first killing usually appears unconnected to the rest but tells the whole story. I think the same can be said for a bunch of suicides. The fact that the first two deaths were VERY close friends and one was over the Swedish telecom industry, and also where all this began... then you have something that should be kept in mind.

It is very possible that something is up and people at very high levels were talking about it.. and it began in Sweden. The country which oddly did the best during the financial crisis.

Whether that particular theory is right or wrong, only time will tell. But its my opinion that it is one thing that can be examined more closely. As far as the entire event taken as a whole, I believe this has everything to do with FOREX.

Anyone who wishes can disagree with me, that is their right, I simply think writing this off as nothing, is not a wise move.

I once had a banker tell me if I really understood the full scope of the monetary system, I wouldn't sleep at night, it's that bad.
It`s a house of cards that can implode at any time.
Working within that would be very depressing.

After I saw many threads about bankers unnatural death,I think there's not enough celebration.


Keep going~!

reply to post by Blue_Jay33

Blue_Jay33
I once had a banker tell me if I really understood the full scope of the monetary system, I wouldn't sleep at night, it's that bad.
It`s a house of cards that can implode at any time.
Working within that would be very depressing.

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Yep, that's because they don't have the money when you take a loan. They only have to have a fraction of that in their deposits. The money you lend from them did not exist the day before. It's legalized fraud.