Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68 (another 777)?

amraks

999zxcv

InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by DigitalSea

 

US/UK airbase @Diego Garcia is located in the Indian Ocean and well within range of where the flight dropped off radar. I hope all you conspiracy hounds have crossed the US off the suspect list.

You've done that, right?

I've mentioned this a time or two on different threads and they get replied to in a peculiar way.
So someone please reply and state that the US is a power for good and would never do something like this. Or throw down some noise if you like.

this case reminds me of japan airlines flight 123 in 1985 where 17 designers of THE TRON O/S were lost then microsoft took the crown and TRON vanished .

i wonder what the geeks at Freescale were working on that was so secret that it cost them their lives .

CUI BONO

edit on 17-3-2014 by 999zxcv because: (no reason given)

We was robbed 286's could do what most computers can do today..

i wonder was there a joke in the film Tron a man goes missing in computer world mmmm with amazing graphics it takes a few years for a film to get from script writers to the audience ,but i have discovered that there is much jest in film's .

A blue sky on mars now that is unusual from the original total recall still makes me chuckle turns out they were right NASA was screwing with the filters

Here's where I'm at right now on this issue:

A) This is BY FAR the weirdest news story I can ever remember.

B) I don't believe ANYTHING anyone is saying no matter what the source. The story and "facts" have vacillated wildly from the beginning and continue to do so.

There can be only one of two realities here: either the authorities don't know where this plane is, or they know and for whatever reason are hiding the truth.

I think it's the latter...

reply to post by DigitalSea



About the distance required to hide using another plane.

Things are not as simple as it seem with primary radar. Real target object are not simple point scatterer but a collection of point scattering elements, each responding to the incident plane wave. Talk to a radar guy about glint error, clutter, propagation, scintillation...

AFAIK general aviation trafic does not receive attention from the weapon tracking radar used for fire control but only from lower resolution surveillance radar. Only a specific suspect object that alerted suspicion will be "painted" by a more accurate radar system.

Just to give an estimate of order of magnitude (no real verified data here): consider a radar system with an overall azimuth measurement error of 2 mrad, over a distance of 1000km this result in 2km resolution. With all the clutter present and since both airplane travel at same speed, Kalman filter of the radar or any other noise reduction logic will probably make this a single target. Anyway I'm very doubtfull that military radar console operator are eyeballing with scrutiny every single passing airplane since there are so many of them, and you know, the world is a big place.

This is a carefully planed operation and the plane landed in Pakistan!

reply to post by sled735


Actually I liked your post. It did bring a smile to my face. Obviously some people don't have a sense of humor.

reply to post by DigitalSea


They're discussing this very theory (flying in the shadow of another 777) on CNN right now -- the consensus amongst the talking heads is it's very possible.

reply to post by PeterMcFly


So how did it go from the Indian Ocean to Pakistan in under an hour?

Zaphod58
reply to post by PeterMcFly

 

So how did it go from the Indian Ocean to Pakistan in under an hour?

Dude, they (the authorities) either don't know where it is or they do and for whatever reason are lying about it.

Again, I think it's the latter.

Maybe this had something to do with it:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

and

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe it's already been posted here.

reply to post by DigitalSea


I may have missed it..... but in this theory of yours,you have failed to provide a motive! What is the motive?

It would have been next to impossible for MH 370, regardless of who was flying it, to find another aircraft in the darkness that night to "shadow".

While technically possible, in reality there's no way they could have found the other aircraft even if they knew the route, departure time and flight plan. This kind of theme is just reaching for straws which don't exist. Sorry.

Being as they've checked on every other aircraft in the air during the time frame in the general location,I doubt it

reply to post by violet


What did they find out about the weirdly acting aircraft in the links I posted above?

reply to post by SBMcG


So Rolls Royce and Inmarsat are in on it too? It was their information that showed it somewhere over the Indian Ocean.

This is the first plausible theory I've heard among all the rubbish floating around about this plane.
Great work. SnF.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Simply follow the logged flight of SIA68 on FlightRadar24, the logs are incomplete but it meet with the missing plane around 18:00UTC near the place where some floating luggage MAY have been spotted (Malacca Strait), then traversed the Bay of Bengal (no coverage there). It is over Kota at 21:43UTC, Ajmer at 21:56UTC, near Phalodi at 22:13UTC, then passing exactly over the isolated landing strip at 22:30UTC.

3000km in about 4.5 hrs giving near of 670km/h. Very rought calculation involving a ruler on the screen but demonstrate it is possible.

reply to post by Zaphod58


"So Rolls Royce and Inmarsat are in on it too? It was their information that showed it somewhere over the Indian Ocean."

Read my first message in this thread, Inmarsat team made a mistake by overestimating the latency of the com link by about 7ms. It is an easy mistake, believe it or not, engineer make those kind of mistake more often than we think. If we correct Inmarsat data it match flight SIA68.

Pakistan is the place to check !!!

reply to post by PeterMcFly


Irrelevant. MH370 pinged the Inmarsat relay at 0811. There were no further pings, and the handshake system requires in depth knowledge to shut down and can't be done from the cockpit.

Flyingclaydisk
It would have been next to impossible for MH 370, regardless of who was flying it, to find another aircraft in the darkness that night to "shadow".

While technically possible, in reality there's no way they could have found the other aircraft even if they knew the route, departure time and flight plan. This kind of theme is just reaching for straws which don't exist. Sorry.

Considering they were flying in a non-radar environment, and are reporting their position, the next fix with the estimated time they'll reach it, and the next fix after that to ATC.. it would be pretty trivial for MAL370 to be listening in to that conversation, alter their course & speed to intercept, and happily shadow after that.. far from impossible, it'd be fairly easy.. especially if they already knew the route of flight for SIA.

reply to post by Zaphod58


"Irrelevant. MH370 pinged the Inmarsat relay at 0811. There were no further pings, and the handshake system requires in depth knowledge to shut down and can't be done from the cockpit."

What are you talking about ???

The SATCOM’s last known ping was at 01:11UTC... You know there are time zones on planet Earth, don't you? This is why I alway use UTC.

The plane simply continued to transmit while sitting on the ground from 22:30UTC to 01:11UTC. Don't know what power was used, battery, APU,... ? But it took some time before the plug was pulled for good.

reply to post by PeterMcFly


Wow, so the only people that were competant were the hijackers, who, without radar, managed to not only FIND the other flight in the middle of the night (an almost impossible task to begin with), then, without anything to give them closure rate, joined up on it (another almost impossible task), and stay in formation like that for hours.

Meanwhile, the engineers that deal with the ping data day in and day out can't even do a simple calculation.