What if enough people refused to pay taxes?

Filing an income tax return is voluntary.

reply to post by BABYBULL24


It stopped being voluntary in a no kidding way when the IRS was made the sole enforcer of the individual mandate of the Obamacare regulations. That is absolutely not optional, and well well....tying one to the other removes the option to any of it.

See what they did there? Clever....

Wrabbit2000
It stopped being voluntary in a no kidding way when the IRS was made the sole enforcer of the individual mandate of the Obamacare regulations.

Voluntary or not, the federals do not have the right to demand that our citizens buy a product ..... any product. Period. It really is that simple.

If government and police behavior does not make you question the motives of these people, perhaps we should look at the individual players. For example; would you really care what the Supreme Court says about obamacare if the Chief Justice (Roberts) turned out to have one of the biggest secret bank accounts at the Vatican Bank?:

www.dailypaul.com...


The article pinpoints where most of these slush funds is coming from -- the US Treasury. We've been sold out from the highest levels of the government.

iammrhappy86
I'm just wondering what would happen if enough americans just decide to stop paying taxes?

The penalties for not paying would be increased until that anomaly went away.
As it stands, you don't encounter this issue because the deterrent is adequate.

Wrabbit2000
It stopped being voluntary in a no kidding way when the IRS was made the sole enforcer of the individual mandate of the Obamacare regulations. That is absolutely not optional, and well well....tying one to the other removes the option to any of it.
See what they did there? Clever....

Clever or just obvious?
You're very late to the socialised medicine game, Amercians. Did you ever consider just once looking at how other countries successfully administer this to reduce your level of surprise? It's just a line item in my tax return. Has been for decades.

The key to the whole thing, taxes aside for a moment, is 'enough people' doing something together. That is how people make a difference and change things.

Cynic
Perhaps marshall law and the use of directed sound weaponry?

It's martial law.

KEEP
CALM
and
DENY
ON

Rather than heavy handed martial law...

& If not taken out of wages automatically like the UK...

The Government would probably just freeze everybody's assets!!!

Whatever they do, I'm sure they have Plans A-Z drawn up ready to be used!!!

***I should also say that I hope we are not giving them any ideas either!


Peace People!

iammrhappy86
I'm just wondering what would happen if enough americans just decide to stop paying taxes?

I guess it only applies to income tax... ("That'll be $1.05." "Nope. Here's 99 cents." That wouldnt work too well... Also, 6 cents is irrelevant, but its easier to do math with small numbers....)

I mean, they can't arrest everyone.... What would they do? Fine everyone? But if we still just don't pay...

If enough people say they've had enough, and they're not happy with our current representation.

I wonder....

It can not be done.

Let me explain why....

You have property tax, sales tax, gas tax, luxury tax, payroll tax, etc etc etc. There is a tax on everything you buy, everything you do. Not to mention- the majority of people in the USA have taxes taken directly out of their paycheck before it ever reaches their hands.

Have a drivers license? You paid a tax to get that. Registration fees, insurance which you must have by law, dont forget paying for the license plate, and of course property taxes on the car itself. All of that technically is a tax. You refuse? Fine. The DMV wont give you a drivers license.

I got news for you.... you HAVE TO pay taxes. Any idea that it will paid willingly and that people can simply refuse is nothing more than fantasy.

mysterioustranger
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Everything from roads to care for the poor would disappear. You'd need to study a bit on what taxes are used for. (I don't mean military etc). Youll see as you get older that when you don't vote for tax increases (I sure don't but I vote)...programs disappear and people suffer.

Many many things all around us are there only because of taxes. Are they too high and should thing change? Of course...but if everyone all at once stopped paying...we'd prob stop living because our infrastructure all around us would collapse with no money to maintain things.

That just my opinion on the immediate repercussions.

Well, yeah, that's kinda the point. if there were no possible repercussions, it wouldn't make for an effective strike, now would it? And, assuming this ever got off the ground and enough people did it, either A) gov would back off and give in before too much damage happened, or B) declare martial law and shut things down. Guess which one is more likely? As things stand right now, its not worth the risk IMO, but if things keep progressing the way they are, it'll be our only hope.

reply to post by MrSpad


Has it Always been this way...why do americans complain about their government so much? Do they not understand that without paying taxes there will be no paved roads, bridges, foodstamps, government, government corruption and everything else the government provides for.

MrWendal

It can not be done.

Let me explain why....

You have property tax, sales tax, gas tax, luxury tax, payroll tax, etc etc etc. There is a tax on everything you buy, everything you do. Not to mention- the majority of people in the USA have taxes taken directly out of their paycheck before it ever reaches their hands.

Have a drivers license? You paid a tax to get that. Registration fees, insurance which you must have by law, dont forget paying for the license plate, and of course property taxes on the car itself. All of that technically is a tax. You refuse? Fine. The DMV wont give you a drivers license.

I got news for you.... you HAVE TO pay taxes. Any idea that it will paid willingly and that people can simply refuse is nothing more than fantasy.

My grandfather was born in 1900. Dad was born in 1931. Most of the tax you mentioned was instituted in their lifetimes. Like cancer, they rolled this taxation on us bit by bit. If you think much of this parasitic taxation can't be rolled back, you're dreaming.

History shows us the ebb and flow of various movements. It would be my guess that Louis XVI of France was thinking "This can't happen, this can't happen" ...... right up to the time when the blade removed his head.

reply to post by BABYBULL24

Filing an income tax return is voluntary.

False.
One example.

Appellants' claim that payment of federal income tax is voluntary clearly lacks substance. See Newman v. Schiff, 778 F.2d 460, 467 (8th Cir.1985). And, finally, we reject appellants' contention that they are not citizens of the United States, but rather "Free Citizens of the Republic of Minnesota" and, consequently, not subject to taxation. See United States v. Kruger, 923 F.2d 587, 587-88 (8th Cir.1991) (rejecting similar argument as "absurd").

bulk.resource.org...

Neither filing income tax returns nor paying income tax is voluntary.

(a) Married individuals filing joint returns and surviving spouses
There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of—
(1) every married individual (as defined in section 7703) who makes a single return jointly with his spouse under section 6013, and
(2) every surviving spouse (as defined in section 2 (a)),
a tax determined in accordance with the following table:

www.law.cornell.edu...
You can read the rest of the law and see that applies to anyone with taxable income.

What is "voluntary" is our telling the IRS how much income tax we owe instead of them doing it for us. Of course, they can always come back at you and tell you did it wrong...or you lied.

Of course, you can go to court over it if you want. You won't win.

reply to post by MrWendal


it is how many times they can tax a dollar that is the biggest magic trick ever

i pay you -you pay tax
i already paid tax on it
you pay employee -he pays tax
he buys stuff -more tax and on and on

you get the drift eat you're heart out houdini

juspassinthru

My grandfather was born in 1900. Dad was born in 1931. Most of the tax you mentioned was instituted in their lifetimes. Like cancer, they rolled this taxation on us bit by bit. If you think much of this parasitic taxation can't be rolled back, you're dreaming.

History shows us the ebb and flow of various movements. It would be my guess that Louis XVI of France was thinking "This can't happen, this can't happen" ...... right up to the time when the blade removed his head.

Clearly you misunderstood my point, or I simply was not specific enough...

At no time did I say these taxes can not be rolled back or even eliminated. What I said was YOU as an individual, can not simply "refuse" to pay. There is a difference.

MrWendal
Clearly you misunderstood my point, or I simply was not specific enough...

At no time did I say these taxes can not be rolled back or even eliminated. What I said was YOU as an individual, can not simply "refuse" to pay. There is a difference.

How do yo think parasitic actions get reversed? One person at a time until critical mass is achieved.

We all have a choice. Beyond that, we a unique situation here. We have a criminal mafia running our country:


1) a police investigation says obama is using false documents
2) our government is committing mass murder of civilians with missile drones which is clearly a crime against humanity
3) our politicians are colluding with the central banksters and Wall Street to loot our country
4) now, these fraudster "legislators" have voted on a health insurance bill they did not even read


Our decision to pay tribute (taxes) to this organization while they continue to commit these massive crimes makes each one of us complicit.

It would create jobs in those big detention camps. Go for it, I'll be glad to watch. Myself, I usually pay all taxes due, but I also took any deductions I was entitled to. If the deductions were iffy, I wouldn't take them. I did not want to get in any hassles with the IRS over a few hundred bucks.

Some people always push it....How is our government going to maintain the roads and keep the police and fire departments working without money?

It would not be pretty.

If enough people did not pay taxes it would hit them where it hurts but i couldn't imagine what they would do in retaliation. I do believe things would change fast but would it make things better or worst.

reply to post by juspassinthru


You expressed my train of thought that led to this hypothetical inquiry perfectly. ^_^